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Any good Submarine vs Submarine Games?
Lion in the Stars	Post subject: Any good Submarine vs Submarine Games? Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:00 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri May 13, 2005 11:01 pm Posts: 1455	I'm a RL Submariner, SSBNs, actually, and I'm looking for a reasonable representation of nuke boat conflict.  Submarine vs Submarine, with detection ranges, you name it. Has anyone found something? _________________ "For the Lion and the Emperor!"
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dafrca	Post subject: Any good Submarine vs Submarine Games? Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:10 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 6:02 pm Posts: 10956 Location: Burbank, CA, USA	When I was in High School, e called going to the beach to neck "going to the submaine races". So you could imagine the answer I would give to the subject line. dafrca _________________ "Every Man is a But Spark in the Darkness"               - Cities of Death, page 59 Come fight me, if you dare...... http://dd-janks.mybrute.com
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Tas	Post subject: Any good Submarine vs Submarine Games? Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:58 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:01 am Posts: 7823 Location: Sydney, NSW	Hello Lion in the Stars, Another navy guy - excellent!  I am an ASW Officer by trade so I am professionally obliged to dislike you.  Dont take that personally though, my sister is a submariner too and it applies to her also! Back OT, sadly, I have never found a playable submarine table wargame.  Because of the stealth issues, you becoem restrcited to pencil and paper planning to preserve the integroty of he boat and thus its very very dull. PC games are by far the best bet for submarine action IMHO.  There are some great ones out there nowadays too! Good Luck! _________________ Tas My General blog: http://tasmancave.blogspot.com/ My VSF Blog: http://pauljamesog.blogspot.com/ My ECW Blog: http://declaresir.blogspot.com/
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Cuban Commissar	Post subject: Any good Submarine vs Submarine Games? Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:33 am
Purestrain Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2003 4:32 am Posts: 2934 Location: Colorado, USA	Well I say this with grave concerns.   Harpoon 4 is propably the game your looking for, but your'll need a gamemaster to handle detection. Check out Clash of Arms I belive the program my freind made to handle Fear God and Dreadnoaught can easily deal with double blind movement.   But we haven't taken it that far yet.  In time we will.  With escorts hunting subs who are hunting merchant ships. Good luck on your search and Welcome
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Tas

Post subject: Any good Submarine vs Submarine Games? Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:09 am

Brood Brother Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:01 am Posts: 7823 Location: Sydney, NSW

With escorts hunting subs who are hunting merchant ships. At least that has one side on the table - and older games, WW2 and before, the Sms did lots of surfaced attacks at night and the like. Modern SM v SM engagements are like walking aorund a darkened football field with a blindfold carrying a sword! I agree Harpoon or the like is probably the ruleset to use, but I dont think it would be a very enjoyable game. _________________ Tas My General blog: http://tasmancave.blogspot.com/ My VSF Blog: http://pauljamesog.blogspot.com/ My ECW Blog: http://declaresir.blogspot.com/

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CyberShadow	Post subject: Any good Submarine vs Submarine Games? Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:48 am
Swarm Tyrant Joined: Thu Jan 02, 2003 6:22 pm Posts: 9350 Location: Singapore	Dont get me started on this. I have been looking for a decent sub game for a long time, and I have not found one yet. As already mentioned, Harpoon will probably do the job better than most games. Aside from that, I found a few which were OK but not great, but I am away from home right now. If you are still interested in six weeks, drop me a PM. If you find anything good, pelase let me know! _________________ https://www.cybershadow.ninja - A brief look into my twisted world, including wargames and beyond. https://www.net-armageddon.org - The official NetEA (Epic Armageddon) site and resource.
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MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: Any good Submarine vs Submarine Games? Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:51 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	Hi Lion, Harpoon is a great game. I have the sub book and it works very well. Having said that, I prefer missile boats and small combatants and Harpoon really works better for larger naval engagements. Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/
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Jimbo	Post subject: Any good Submarine vs Submarine Games? Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:38 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:01 pm Posts: 3495 Location: Wessex	I started work on a near-future sub game, Krazy Ivan which was aimed specifically at non-submariners and I knew would be about as realistic as an unrealistic game could be. It was more a subs in space game than a a realistic simulation of subs.... http://www.ifelix.co.uk/krazy.html Remember these are unfinished... _________________ Jimbo Felix's Gaming Pages Felix's Gaming Pages Blog Almost Always Right...
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Dwarf Supreme	Post subject: Any good Submarine vs Submarine Games? Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:32 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri May 20, 2005 8:45 pm Posts: 11149 Location: Canton, CT, USA	I know of a good WWII sub boardgame, AH's "Submarine." It doesn't use minis; all the pieces are cardboard. _________________ "I don't believe in destiny or the guiding hand of fate." N. Peart
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Lion in the Stars	Post subject: Any good Submarine vs Submarine Games? Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:24 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri May 13, 2005 11:01 pm Posts: 1455	Thanks, guys.   I may need to chase down that 'Full thrust' mod that I saw a few (too many) years ago, then, and play with it. Tas, there's only two kinds of ships:  Submarines, and TARGETS.   We've got some great pictures at work of various ships, usually with the lookout in the crosshairs. [evil smilie]  Or there's our other favorite 'game':  find a diesel sub snorkeling at periscope depth, then flood-down and open all torpedo tubes.  Listen to the 'OH, [deleted by the Inquisition]' as the diesel desperately tries to run from you.  Then call the diesel on the underwater telephone and say 'Tag, you're it!' _________________ "For the Lion and the Emperor!"
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Cuban Commissar	Post subject: Any good Submarine vs Submarine Games? Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:06 am
Purestrain Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2003 4:32 am Posts: 2934 Location: Colorado, USA	Quote (Lion in the Stars @ 25 2005 July,16:24) Tas, there's only two kinds of ships: ?Submarines, and TARGETS. ? Now that sounds like a challenge...
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Tas

Post subject: Any good Submarine vs Submarine Games? Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:13 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:01 am Posts: 7823 Location: Sydney, NSW

Tas, there's only two kinds of ships:  Submarines, and TARGETS.   It SO amuses me that guys even believe your own propaganda and think this is true - My sister and I have rather animated dinner conversations when we infrequently meet up! We've got some great pictures at work of various ships, usually with the lookout in the crosshairs. [evil smilie]  Or there's our other favorite 'game':  find a diesel sub snorkeling at periscope depth, then flood-down and open all torpedo tubes.  Listen to the 'OH, [deleted by the Inquisition]' as the diesel desperately tries to run from you.  Then call the diesel on the underwater telephone and say 'Tag, you're it!'

OTOH, I have NEVER seen a diesel loose a knife fight vs a Nuke whe it isnt snorkelling

I too have some cool photos at work, of smashed and broken submarines
I like using an electric razor on underwater telelephone to make realistic torpedo noises.  Spooks you guys...:p

Nothing like a bit of friendly rivalry is there?!