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Bureaucracy at it?s finest.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:51 pm 
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My only issue at the moment is that the General forum is just too General. Trying to follow a conversation over a couple days, or even over one, is extremely difficult. I would hope that each game system gets its own General forum at the very least, and leave the current General forum for posts / threads that cross the game boundries.




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Quote (Grimshawl @ 11 2005 July,19:41)
And It isnt like the Specialist Games can afford fewer customers or more bad will really.

SOmething to always remember, most of SG's customers aren't online.

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Quote (The_Real_Chris @ 11 2005 July,21:12)
Quote (Grimshawl @ 11 2005 July,19:41)
And It isnt like the Specialist Games can afford fewer customers or more bad will really.

SOmething to always remember, most of SG's customers aren't online.

Pixelgeek, I know in asking this it will seem like an attack, it is not meant to be one, please understand I am just very curious...

Do you know what the real number is?

I ask because I remember a survey done by Dragon some time ago that said there was like in the 15% range of the respondents used the Internet on a regular basis.

So do you know what GWs or SGs number is?

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The only figure I know about SG was when Fanatic magazine was cancelled direct sales in the UK had to refund 50,000 pound. Ironically the fuss they raised and the attention cancelling it got made the management see the value of it and they are considering bringing it back, only with the whole of GW as the remit (not just SG).

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they are considering bringing it back, only with the whole of GW as the remit (not just SG).


Im sorry, but I dont follow this bit about 'whole of GW'- can you explain that again please?

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Sorry, it would carry specialist games stuff as well as 40k and fantasy. Yes the minitures catalague more a gaming resource. A bit like I guess a professional version of the original journel (issues 1 through about 9 before the staff changed) not the subsequent fan stuff.

I suspect they realise though internet content is overtaking this sort of thing and perhaps SG is an attempt to capture and use that?

However it is still mooted though there are a couple of people in GW who are interested in the editors role (Andy being one of them).

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Hmmm...interesting indeed.
Is perhaps GW recognising the value of the SG range?  is that too much to hope for??

Thanks! :)

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I recognse that alot of SG players dont visit the SG site, however I have found that alot of the ones who do are also the more active members of there respective play groups, I play with 6 other regular specialist games players and get most of them their info on whats going on, I down load or print out stuff for them on their favorite games, playtest armies  or new hired guns and they keep in touch with whats going on thru me. I have seen this trend with alot of the guys on the SG forum being like this, and also dont forget that just like any company word of mouth is a valid advertising avenue, whether it be good advertising or bad, word gets around to other gamers what is being done online by GW, Just like the fact that I dont pick up white dwarf anymore hasnt stoped me from knowing whats in it and what GW says in it, gamers spread that type of info around.
Anyway, I hope this other bit of news does come about, it would be great to see some consideration given back to SGs.

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Quote (The_Real_Chris @ 12 2005 July,06:50)
The only figure I know about SG was when Fanatic magazine was cancelled direct sales in the UK had to refund 50,000 pound. Ironically the fuss they raised and the attention cancelling it got made the management see the value of it and they are considering bringing it back, only with the whole of GW as the remit (not just SG).

That would be typical. I subscribed to the initial Citadel Journal, then purchased both Epic & Firepower series (together with BFG Mag), and then took out subscription to Fanatic Mag even though I was just interested in Epic/BFG. (Plus I have subscribed to WD since issue 128).

It is sadly symptomatic of GW that they constantly change their mind about what magazines to issue, incurring costs and losing customers on every occasion.

I do hope that GW bring back something like the Journal/Fanatic Mag- I will subscribe to it in the vain hope that next time GW will work out what they want and stick to it....
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Like many here...you are an eternal optimist. ?
Just one look at that list of magazines you mentioned will give ample evidence of that

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I have been getting W/D for 15 years. I just got 307 in the mail moments ago. Great modeling in there !  But I feel Epic is always going to be the "forgotten army".   As I said, we can keep it going here and there are other 6mm sources ...

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Quote (Tas @ 12 2005 July,12:20)
Hmmm...interesting indeed.
Is perhaps GW recognising the value of the SG range? ?is that too much to hope for??

Thanks! :)

Of course it's too much to hope for!  :p  :laugh:

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Is perhaps GW recognising the value of the SG range? ?is that too much to hope for??

:) No way! :)
More likely they saw the potential returns in a magazine with very low operating costs (part time editor, no increase on existing overheads, 'free content') and none of the 'officialness' of WD.

However I suspect such a mag would be bad news for Epic/BFG as they would be there to 'complement' 40k not a main theme. Nothing else fits with GW policy.

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I have to say that I have a hard time seeing a return of a magazine covering some of the specialist games, if it hapened as a bad thing for those games, I have found the online Fanatic mag to be far inferior to its printed predisessor, using 75% rehash online hardly counts as a seperate magazine in my opinion.
If GW wants to tie epic and BFG closer to 40k I can understand why, and since they share the 40k background/ fluff I dont see the harm, the rules are good and solid, the core armies are already published or in the process, tho the going is slower than some might wish, and I have always contended that a permanent printed magazine help establish/ maintane some permanence for a system. Anyway I would be glad to see a return of a physical copy magazine covering the SGs.

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Like many here...you are an eternal optimist. ?
Just one look at that list of magazines you mentioned will give ample evidence of that

Yes very true.

But I don't want to be sitting on the sidelines and saying that you think the magazine will faiil so there is no point buying it- that is just self-perpetuating.

I would rather buy the magazine, cross my fingers and hope that it lasts. Same with newish minatures magazine Harbinger.

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