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E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2003 1:15 pm 
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Well, Jervis has mentioned that there will be a big update to the Epic site after the weekend, including the return of the Lost and Damned list!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:15 pm 
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I look forward to any Epic update !!!  Yahoo !!! :laugh:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 5:22 pm 
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Quote (CyberShadow @ 18 2003 July,05:15)
Well, Jervis has mentioned that there will be a big update to the Epic site after the weekend, including the return of the Lost and Damned list!

Well the new stuff is up. Includes a new Chaos list.

http://www.specialist-games.com/epic40k/Vault.htm

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 7:35 pm 
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And remarkably, I still have no desire to play a chaos force, despite the fact that in SM and in Epic they were constantly one of my top two favorites.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 9:54 pm 
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Quote (nealhunt @ 21 2003 July,11:35)
And remarkably, I still have no desire to play a chaos force, despite the fact that in SM and in Epic they were constantly one of my top two favorites.

Is it because Jervis split the Chaos list into two armies or is your dislike deeper then that?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 3:18 pm 
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It's still overwhelmingly generic.

I really liked Black Legion back before the Abaddon story line was added to the background.  I even had a company painted up.  Now I find them insanely annoying, much like Space Wolves.

I think you could do a Khorne or Nurgle army just fine, but I despise Khorne, and Nurgle is only marginally appealing.

My preferred forces are, in order:
Tzeentch
Slaanesh
Word Bearers
Alpha Legion


Tzeentch is right out.  There just aren't the pieces there to put together a Thousand Sons army.

Slaanesh might be possible, but it still looks a bit bland.

Word Bearers would probably work just fine, but you would have to get your opponent to agree to let you summon non-faction demons.

Alpha Legion would also be okay if an opponent agreed to allow cultists.

So... out of the list, one is possible without house ruling stuff, and my favorite is just not workable.  For now, I'm keeping Orks and SMs on the top of my "to build/paint" list, followed by Nids and IG.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:32 pm 
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Well I have forces for all the 4 major powers + Undivided including Word Bearers, Iron Warriors etc., etc., as well as Cultists.  All based on SM1 modified templates. I collect all armies including Squats so in my mind, it's all Good - or Badd in Chaos' case !!! :;):  I guess I feel a little concerned (?) that some of you are disappointed in the "new" Chaos list.  But you know what I'm going to say next - do what works for you and to Hell with G/W's half-hearted machinations !!!  }:)  :laugh:

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Legion, the problem with that is that not everyone on this list has a dedicated gaming group who can hash out all the details for doing their own thing.  If I tried to do that, I could never play a game.

Sticking with the GW setup makes everything very "portable" for lack of a better term.  It's a very convenient short hand for being able to play a fairly fun and balanced game.  In that aspect, their standardized rules add a tremendous level of value, even if they are not perfectly satisfactory.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 7:17 pm 
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Quote (nealhunt @ 22 2003 July,07:18)
It's still overwhelmingly generic.

Neal,

Let's push the subject a little and see what happens. Go to the playtest and see what I posted:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/40kuniv....ID=1052

Maybe we can get some talk going...

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Legion 4,

I will always agree with you on the "do what is best for you" way of thinking. However, I must say, it is not always the best answer.

As Neal has pointed out, the "Rules as Written" sure is nice when you go to find a pick-up game. No arguements about cheesy house rules.

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Hi!


As Neal has pointed out, the "Rules as Written" sure is nice when you go to find a pick-up game. No arguements about cheesy house rules


I have always wondered how common are "pickup" games with epic players. Most I have encountered play in well established groups and rarely play with people outside their group.

Do members of this forum play with a wide variety of epic players they have never met before? Or do they play with more or less regular opponents?

I think this point would be crucial in the choice between z'my own stuff" or "official" rules.

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Back in the early 90s there was a large enough group around campus that I could get a pickup game easily.  There was a core of 6 or 8 that hit the shop regularly, but there were about 20 around town with armies.  When I went back to school in the mid-90s, I managed to scare up a game or two also.

I know of a bunch of former Epic players around, but they all pretty much play primarily 40K now.  Why?  Because each of the game shops around town has a "40K" night that is set aside for pickup games.

I feel certain that a solid, consistent and supported game system would result in my being able to throw an army in the back of my truck and head out for a night of mayhem via pickup games.

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For me, I have had the fun of being in a group for the last few months. However, pick-up games has been my primary method of playing.

As a side note, many of the guys I know are also fans of the rules and house rules seem to be rare with them.

Now, that is not to say I do not know some people who's house rules list is longer then the rules  :laugh:

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Well when I first started playing Epic in '90, I was all for standardized rules, but then we started to do our own thing, and always based our modifications on some precedent and logic.

Plus I started playing wargames (Avalon Hill, SPI, etc., etc.,), in the early '70s, so I have a lot of hands-on experience. ?

That being said, dafrca and Neal, I understand your concerns (and feel your pain), my point stays the same, play the rules as is, play house rules (with or without cheese), play SM1, SM2, E40K, etc., but again do what works for you... ?:;):

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Quote (Legion 4 @ 22 2003 July,20:39)
Well when I first started playing Epic in '90, I was all for standardized rules, but then we started to do our own thing, and always based our modifications on some precedent and logic.

Plus I started playing wargames (Avalon Hill, SPI, etc., etc.,), in the early '70s, so I have a lot of hands-on experience. ?

That being said, dafrca and Neal, I understand your concerns (and feel your pain), my point stays the same, play the rules as is, play house rules (with or without cheese), play SM1, SM2, E40K, etc., but again do what works for you... ?:;):

Legion 4, I think we agree. I will always think of the games as mine once I bought them and I will change what I want to fit my needs.

I also know that if I change too much that finding someone who will play me with the rules as I have created them will be harder then if I try to stay close to the rules as written. Regardless of the version I play, EpicA or SM1, SM2, E40K or even NetEpic :-)

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