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 Post subject: Epic Titan Legions
PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:51 pm 
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Hello,

I play with four people with the old Titan Legions rules.  One plays the Imperial Guard, one plays the Squats, and the other is playing both Space Marines/Eldar.  I also play Eldar.

My question is about the Doomweaver.  In the rules it says that Titans are immune to its effects in damaging anything, but they still have to move if it lands on them.  

My Imperial Guard friend says that if the shields are on, you do not have to move the Titan in order to ignore the doomweaver effect.  Any help would be appreciated.

My second question is about the Pulsar Laser that the Eldar Titans can use.   Against an Imperial Titan with the shields on, would you just roll to hit against one shield, or the titan as a model.  Both me and the other Eldar player believe the way Titan Legions describe it is that the Pulsar Laser would fire once and if it hit...regardless of it having shields or not...would cause him to roll D6 saves.  However, if he had shields up it would cause him to lose those shields and the rest would carry over to hit the Imperial Titan.

My Imperial friend believes that just the one shield would become damaged and the D6 saves rolled are just for the one shield, not the entire Titan.  Any help would be much appreciated.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:45 pm 
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(Tsarius @ Feb. 25 2007,13:51)
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Hello,

I play with four people with the old Titan Legions rules. ?One plays the Imperial Guard, one plays the Squats, and the other is playing both Space Marines/Eldar. ?I also play Eldar.

My question is about the Doomweaver. ?In the rules it says that Titans are immune to its effects in damaging anything, but they still have to move if it lands on them. ?

My Imperial Guard friend says that if the shields are on, you do not have to move the Titan in order to ignore the doomweaver effect. ?Any help would be appreciated.

My second question is about the Pulsar Laser that the Eldar Titans can use. ? Against an Imperial Titan with the shields on, would you just roll to hit against one shield, or the titan as a model. ?Both me and the other Eldar player believe the way Titan Legions describe it is that the Pulsar Laser would fire once and if it hit...regardless of it having shields or not...would cause him to roll D6 saves. ?However, if he had shields up it would cause him to lose those shields and the rest would carry over to hit the Imperial Titan.

My Imperial friend believes that just the one shield would become damaged and the D6 saves rolled are just for the one shield, not the entire Titan. ?Any help would be much appreciated.

Doomweaver - Anything that is under the template is killed except for titans (and maybe others, IIRC) which are allowed to move out from underneath it. ?The void shields are not even mentioned in the rules as being able to protect the titan or absorbing damage, it is the sheer size and armor of the titan that allows it to avoid the templates. ?Notice that the rules say that if a titan is immobilized for any reason and cannot avoid the templates then it is considered destroyed. ?So if the void shields allowed the titan to not have to move then the immobile titan rule would kick in, destroying the titan.

If your imperial player wants to visualize what happens, play it out to him this way: The slow moving clouds of mono-wire drift down through the void shields (just like a Trident would due to its slow speed and mass) and begin to entangle the titan. ?Due to its meters thick armor it may make a save though to avoid the mono-wire cloud. ?(Not armor save against the cloud, not have the void shields absorb the cloud, but AVOID the cloud.) ?The templates (mono-wire cloud), regardless what happens to the titan, still get placed on the table.

Pulsar - When fired in pulse mode the target has to make D6 armor saves. ?The void shields allow you to ignore any shots that have a 0 armor save modifier and negates every shot that has a -1 or better, one shield going down per armor save negated. ? D6 shields go down for a Pulsar shot, not one.

Stress that the Pulsar is a PULSE weapon that fires not one nasty shot that inflicts D6 hits, but a barrage of D6 shots that have to be countered individually.



All of this from a heavy addict of Imperial Titans. ?Tell him "Sorry, but our lovelies are not that good."





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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:23 am 
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Thanks for the reply, Blarg

The way you said the Pulsar Laser worked is actually how I would have said.

Tho I think there was a minor miscommunication in regards to what I was trying to find out about the Doomweaver.

We understand that Titans can move to avoid this thing, what his problem was that his Titan was on First Fire, and therefore if he moved he would be thrown off First Fire.  Thus he said the shields would save him from having to move.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:21 am 
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Space Marine Supplement "Renegades"
p. 19
Doomweaver rules, first column, first new paragraph

Note that being on first fire orders doesn't mean a model is immobilised, but moving a model with first fire orders will force it to shoot in the advancing fire segment instead if it hasn't already fired.  Change the unit's orders over to advance to indicate this.


Sorry to be rude on this, but this one is as plain as day.  It doesn't matter what the model is nor what it is protected with.  If your model is on first fire and it hasn't fired yet, and it gets hit with a Doomweaver then it gets thrown onto advance fire as he moves his titan out of the template.  Period.  If you read the entirety of the Doomreaver rules you will notice no mention about the Doomweaver interacting with void shields.  None.

Tell your friend that enterprising (pain in the rump) Eldar players will fire a lot of Doomweavers at a titan on first fire for the sole purpose of throwing it onto advance orders.  This is something we in the business call "tactics."   :p   Further along this "tactics" route, once you read and think about the Doomweaver rules you begin to understand that they are not really there to do damage so much as control the battlefield.  Fill a choke point with several templates to deny the enemy movement.  Surround a SHV or titan with templates to prevent it from moving so you can move your stuff into place to blast it.  Disrupt an IG company to mess with its command range.  Disrupt any artillery targeting your favorite Phantom.

Hey, he can fire Basilisks and Bombards at Phantom titans to negate the holo-fields, the Eldar can fire Doomweavers at first fire titans to throw them into advance firing.

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