Hi, i wanna start playing epic Armageddon and have my sights on an Admech or Knight lists. Currently there are only a few lists on NetEA. and i was told to avoid the Battlescribe ones as they might not be balanced. So would like to know are there any updates to any additions of factions to NetEA list? or any of you have come up with new balanced lists? Thank you.

Beyond the ones in this forum? No. Norto's list is coming along though, he's been getting in plenty of VASSAL games with it.

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Is there a location where this Norto’s list can be found?

It's the post right below yours.

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As of right now the Admech lists are pretty stable.
AMTL 3.25 is complete
Skitarii 2.1 is stuck in limbo but effectively finished.
Knightworld is complete

Questoris Mechanicus and Norto's list are dev lists. I haven't played Norto's myself but questoris mechanicus is pretty solid more modern take on knights.

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waiting on ERC signoff, or something else?

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It was submitted, stuck at 2:1 for approving it and currently has no path forward to flip the third vote since there's only three members on the ERC now and lists require three yes votes to approve.

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ah thank you. will take a look..

Ooooo K

So one person doesn't like it, but the other two are good with it and nothing can be done.
Roger.

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Hello Vaaish,

I was wondering if there was an official channel of feedback about what exactly the issues were with the hold out approval?



If you are happy with it and 2/3 of the ERC are happy with it, what changes are being requested by the 3rd ERC member?

I have no specific feedback at this point. The general feedback I received from the initial skitarii submission has been integrated or was unactionable (no specific asks or would effectively reset the list dev).

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Is it normal to not get feedback from ERC re why a list is not going to be approved? It would seem to make sense as otherwise the there is no way forward?



You mean the requests would have caused sufficient changes to the tested list to reset back to Experimental or Developmental and needing more Batreps?

What is the standard for changes allowed prior to such a reset occurring please?

Cheers

None of the initial feedback was incorporated. To summarize it: boring and hard to play with, with slow an expensive formations that lead to a low activation count and little customization of formation contents. Specific asks were given for themeing the list as either defensive (shooty robot/rapier formations, static defense laser, trenches) or offensive (allow for cheaper mechanized options, tanks). Beyond those, making the formations more flexible in terms of unit contents.

The list was re-submitted with 5 battle reports from players other than yourself. The changes included: reduction of carapace landing cost, increase of quake cannons and support missiles, and some avenger and golgotha stat changes.

It's been mentioned to you on multiple occassions that you are effectively ignoring community feedback. The initial feedback above was from myself and another member who played with and/or against the list. It was ignored wholesale. All of it was specific and actionable. Would it had meant more battle reports? Yes. But I see the posts on this forum where the feedback was being given before the original submission as well.

I'll also add that 2/3 of the ERC are not "happy" with it, I read it more as stoic acquiescence/optimism that things would change after approval.

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We haven't come up with a set of hard and fast rules. If you change some points it's not a big deal. If special rules are being added, or extreme units though 6 or so reports wouldn't be out of the question.

Most of the time though people just submit a list with a handful of adjustments garnered from the battle reports. I think we've approved most of those without much fuss, as they weren't big changes or were apparent from the games.

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"...optimism that things would change after approval."

I'm curious what you mean here please Dave? I would assume that after approval the lost is locked and not subject to change?