I have been noting some ideas for the Space Marine lists and also some additional potential tweaks to the main rules which I will post at a later date.

If/when we start talking about the revision, is it worth setting up separate areas in the forum (like what they have for EA, rules, each race etc)) so the various discussions can be easily monitored and followed?

Matt

Hi!

When the time comes and we decide to do this, I will make that request.

The first order of business will be to lay down the guiding philosophy behind any revision. In other words what is to be accomplished. After 17 years doing this I have learned you better know what you want to achieve before you start.

This can be anything at this point. Will be just tweaks, adding alternate systems or a complete overhaul, heck even designing a game from scratch. First we will see what the group wants then we will set parameters and goals to achieve this.

Food for thought.

Primarch

There are company and support cards for them, and an entry in the 'unit descriptions' that lays out a few special rules (6+ save vs barrages for example), but no stat line in the summary.

Also to go back to one of my earlier questions about unit abilities in transports, does this also apply to targetting HQ units if they're in transports? I notice some are listed as 'command rhino' for example, is this a vehicle that specifically has HQ and can't be targetted, and if so if an HQ unit is in a regular transport can they then be targetted normally?

Thanks

Rick

If a transport was carrying an HQ unit, as an enemy I wouldn't target it unless it was the closest unit of its type, ie closest Rhino.

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I would say NO.
If a command unit joins a transport the trasnport gains the HQ abillity as long as it transports the HQ unit imo.

I would say that the vehicle can be shot at. the HQ Special Rule says:

Special Ability: Headquarters (HQ)
These units represent a small number of important people, and as long as they stay close to something their size they receive some protection from being fired at. An HQ unit may not be fired at unless it is the closest valid target of their pinning class, or is more than 10 cm from things in their pinning class. This protection applies to template weapons as well – the template may not cover the HQ unit unless it meets one of the two requirements. However, buildings and transports are not protected – you may shoot at the building or transport normally, hoping to bring it down and kill the HQ inside.
Example: An infantry HQ stand in a group of other troop stands cannot be targeted unless it is the closest target within range. An infantry HQ stand among Titans will stand out like sore thumb, so it may be targeted.

So it specifically states transports can be shot to bring down the HQ. My guess is it is a lot easier to shoot a commanders vehicle (1 vehicle in amongst 10 which is likely to stand out due to comms equipment, banners and various iconography) compared to when he is wandering through a horde of men (1 man in amongst a 100+ or so and it being easier for him to duck into cover).

I always thought a Command Vehicle only has the Command rule allowing it to move double and First Fire (mainly because of its name), it doesn't have the HQ ability, though I can't find that rule in the main rules, so maybe they don't have it either.

But, the Imperial Guard do have a specific rule that gives their vehicles HQ (I guess mainly because they need it to support their Command Structure rules). Under the Company Headquarters Unit description it says:

Command Vehicles: Transports for CHQs and Commissars are often referred to as a Command Rhino or similar. Vehicles with the Command prefix have the HQ special ability.

Whether this rule was meant to cover other armies as well, no idea. But this rule doesn't give the vehicle the Command ability, so they have to be given orders, they don't get to move double and FF as a command stand.

Matt

Hi!

Ah, then it is definitely an issue of an omission. I suspect there are quite a few....

Thanks for pointing it out.

Primarch

Oh, it's going to be an entirely new version and not just 'NetEpic Platinum' or somesuch? Seems to me that if it's just a few rule tweaks and minor adds to army lists, then a new iteration of NetEpic would be all that's needed. A whole new version would only be called for if major system rule changes were being made. Even drastic rewrites of core army lists would only need a new release of that army's book. Just my opinion.

My read on the Imperial Guard's rules for Command units (of any type) is that Sectional HQ units only have the HQ ability, but Company units (Infantry, Vehicle, etc) have both Command and HQ. Thus either of these would also be covered by the HQ rules for targeting. Perhaps the sentence that Mattman highlighted above needs to be reworded slightly to say "any non-HQ Transport".

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Hi!

It depends on what you and others want to do. If "net epic platinum" is the goal then that's what we'll do. If we want to massively overhaul it then we'll do that. If you want to actually decisgn a game from the ground out we can do that to.

You see, net epic is about what YOU guys would like to tackle. It's never really been what I "primarch" wants. I'm perfectly happy doing any of these, but the will and driving force, the enthusiasm if you will comes for all of you. I only coordinate and make sure it gets done, as well as maintain it.

So just chime in your opinion of what you'd like to do and we'll see everybody else would like to do and we'll figure out what the consensus is.

By the way if a "new edition" of net epic is what is going to be done, I'm SO using your idea...

NET EPIC PLATINUM EDITION, sounds awesome!

Primarch

Oh, it's hardly my idea. Most video/PC games that release compilations do a Platinum edition after having done a Gold edition. Well, at the very least, Neverwinter Nights did.

Personally, I have no strong opinion over what level of revision / edition change happens, as I've just started into NetEpic. However, at the very least I think that the NetEpic Gold PDFs should be updated to include all relevant errata that has been mentioned in these forums. That should just entail fixing typos and a few omissions, so it shouldn't warrant a version all on it's own.

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There's no reason why I should get it, but if Magnus doesn't want the credit, I'll take it Primarch! Sorry, that's the egomaniac side of my personality coming out to play...



I can't imagine there will be anyone really wanting to do a complete rewrite on NetEpic. Let's face it, if we wanted a new ruleset we'd just go and play E:A! Certainly correcting errors/omissions is desirable though!

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Hi!

That's a good simple goal and relatively easy to accomplish. We can do that first then move to more "involved" things if people want.

Primarch

Hi!

Well, like I said, we can do whatever you'd all like. Its a community effort after all.

That said I can infer two votes for "updated and correct". Sound about right?

Primarch

I'm okay with "updated", provided it doesn't take another few years. I was really looking forward to getting the NetEpic rules professionally printed and bound. The same with the army books once they get finished. Please, let's not do a big overhaul.

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