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wraeththu	Post subject: Comments before final L&D list is turned in Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:40 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:34 pm Posts: 231	[quote="Chroma,Oct. 06 2005,12:39"][/quote] I've had really good success with the army, though I've yet to beat Guard with them, and think it seems pretty well balanced. Interesting, I have won more times than not against the guard. I'm curious, does anyone use Traitor Support units instead of Daemon Engines?

I do. ?I usually have some traitor support in every army I make.


1. ?First off, there was something about the list that's been bothering me since I first read it, but I couldn't put my finger on it. ?One of our infrequent players is an English teacher and he nailed it after reading over the unit stats: ?Since "Arch-Heretic" means "chief" or "ultimate" heretic, why is it used for generic unit leaders and "Demagogue" used for supreme commander when, by definition, it should be the other way around?


I haven't really looked into the exact definitions on that one. ?I went with what Jervis originally had. ?But I will take a look.


2. ?Could the Arch-Heretic's "Arcane Powers" be changed to a +1MWFF attack instead of the current shooting attack? ?Most psychic powers seem to be represented by Small Arms effects instead of/or in addition to shooting attacks. ?I don't think I've ever actually used the MW6+ shot in all the games I've played.


I have used it a few times. ?But for now I plan to keep the Arcane Powers as they are since the Cultist Magus has a MW attack in hand to hand.


3. ?Would it be possible to change the various Traitor Upgrades to be "up to" their max number instead of fixed numbers? ?The Chaotic upgrades already are set up this way and the Hydras come this way as well. ?I just like the thought of a more rag-tag look with an occasional tank or support unit added to the mix; the point values shouldn't be to hard to work out.


The set numbers where kept to prevent min maxing since these units are already being used in the Guard list. ?Also the idea is to give a feeling of some left over structure that has been ingrained into the military troops. ?As I have said before about friendly games, change it to your needs. ?You are more than welcome to break down the cost per unit and buy them individually as long as your opponeent is fine with that.


4. ?Critical Hit Effect:The greater daemon is hurled back into the warp. It will drag any other units within 5cms back with on a roll of 6.

The wording/effect of this really needs to be cleared up. ?Is this a "hit" on a 6+ or a full on destruction? ?Are affected units allowed saves? ?This happened when a Bloodthirster was critted by a Firststrike unit while engaged with a warengine. ?The warengine rolled a "6" for the effect, and we counted it as a single hit, but it was by no means clear.


That could stand to be a bit clearer. ?Each WE has a chance for a critical hit when damaged. ?The Critical occurs on a 6+ (as I am sure you know). ?If a 6 is rolled then the GD is dragged back into the warp and removed from play. ?Any other units within 5cms roll a D6 and on a 6 They are destroyed as well regardless of how many DC they have or what type the unit is. ?No saves period. ?The dangers of playing around with creatures from the warp.


That's all off the top of my head. ?I want to thank you and tell you I really appreciate the work you've put into the list Audrey! ?It *really* makes me glad I saved all those cultist and beastman figures from my Epic40k days! ?Glad I could be part of the process!


Thanks for the kind words and your input.

-Audrey