It doesn't have to be aspects especially, powerful assault formations mainly. Aspects are just great because they are assault specialists and initiative 1+. Black guardians and spirit hosts are good too.

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You can also match it up with Guardians in Wave Serpents. Same approach, get "up close and personal" and use the Warlock both to initiate an assault (if possible) and to support multiple assaults. Do this at the end of one turn and at the start of another; if you win the strategy roll, you can get up to a maximum of 6 assaults out of the Warlock - by which time the opponent usually has little left to play with - *Very* ugly as others have mentioned

I just can't find the solution against a Minervan tank army -Deathstrikes covered by Salamanders scout tanks (so no teleport), SHT companies (3x Shadowswords, 3x Baneblades/variants), Leman Russ company, a Warhound and Vultures, in owerwatch, and a lot of Hydras.. just too tough

IG Armies are the easiest to use and at times hardest to fight. Because of all the firepower and numbers they pack. You can make a few mistakes, but your numbers and firepower usually saves your butt. In many cases unless you can shutdown their fire support, you may be in for a bad day ... Your Titans may be key in helping to make this happen with that long 75cm Pulsar range. If his Titans are not an immediate threat. Be flexible ... Shutdown his AAA with your Artillery and/or Titans, then add your CAS and/or Titans to help take care of his Artillery and/or Titans. Concentrate firepower ... shutdown his flak then his FA/Titan support ... And manuever ... Use you firepower from you Artillery, Titans and Airstrkes to shutdown his ... eliminate the biggest threat first ... Your move Commander ?

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yeah, clear. but in a 3000p game, i'm not sure, i want to field a Warlock -the lone and expensive titan is the dream of a Shadowsword SHT company comader..

With the speed of the Warlock vs the speed of the shadowswords you should be able to use terrain and movement to avoid the tanks

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with Deathstrikes and Vultures on owerwatch more than a challenge!

Vultures are hardly a major thread to a warlock..... deathstrikes can be dealt with using phoenix bombers/nightwings or if using BT a void spinner..... hardly unbeatable

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It's an Ulthwé list, and the Deathstrikes were behind a lot of Hydras
So many threat to a lone titan.

Night/Void Spinner = FA ... Nightwing/Phoenix/Vampire = CAS ... Fire Prism = long range direct AT fire in support ... Vyper/Jet Bikes = Cav for flanking, attacking rear area targets like Deathstrikes ...

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Ok guys, we're talking about different stuff I'm aware of each units's role on the game, etc.

No problem at all, my question was just about anyone has experiences about Minervan lists, and what support does an Ulthwé Warlock needs against an army like that -or should i include a lone titan against a tank legion army? I feel that it is an expensive toy to loose very early in a vulture-deathstrike-shadowsword company style game.. At least i got my answers

It's a poor warrior who blames his weapon for his failure to hit the target ...

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Making an 850 point unit viable in a 3k game is tough to begin with. You're sacrificing 2-3 activations to take it, and activations are king in EA. Add to that you're going up against an army that's geared to take out WEs... well it's going to suck. I'm not sure that's what you want to hear, but there are just some army match ups that are plain unfair.

The Hydra's shut down the AA option, and the Salamanders screen the Deathstrikes to shutdown teleport. So you either need something to fry the Deathstrikes at a distance (with Ulthwe that's pretty much a Scorpion) or have two units of Hawks (one for the screen, one for the Deathstrikes).

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To be fair, this is less of a problem in a 'blind' game situation, where you and your opponent are unaware of what each other are building. A tournament is ideal in this respect since you have to be prepared for all kinds of opposition, with the result that you are even less likely to play against three IG armies, and even then the IG will not usually field many specifically anti-titan formations because having a purely defensive mentality impacts the ability to win the overall game.

Warlocks (and other battle titans) have a big impact on a game merely by being present. They force the opponent to make a choice either to fight the titan in some way, or to avoid the beast as much as possible. The speed of the Warlock (and Phantom) allows you to dictate that choice, putting the opponent on the defensive from the start. It is then up to you to keep the strategic initiative as much as possible by being aggressive. Note - forcing the opponent to commit half his army to defeating the titan means your other formations should have a significant advantage over the remaining opposition.

Supporting the Warlock with strong assault forces reduces the opponent to having to choose between two bad options; to fight the Warlock and risk overwhelming Eldar assaults, or to try to avoid these Eldar formations at the edge of the battlefield, giving up the objectives to the Eldar.

I am not saying that the Warlock is invincible, it isn't (and this balance is the joy of E:A in general). However, you need to think positively about what you can do rather than negatively about what the opponent might be able to do; you need to shape the possibilities in your favour rather than blindly reacting to the opposition.

For example, by moving the titan in cover (and taking DT tests) you significantly reduce the possibility of being hit. Or as Dave says, using Scorpions and FirePrisms to provide long range fire against those enemy which may harm the Warlock.

I think this boils down to the question 'how do I use a warlock titan against an army pretty much designed to kill it?' and the answer is 'with difficulty' there are numerous options to deal with the deathstrikes, either use phoenix bombers and get within range of a single hydra, meaning even if it hits twice and both planes die, you'll still have another left which has a good chance of breaking the hydras, then you can fly in a vampire and hit the deathstrikes, alternatively you could march a storm serpent up then zoom a vyper formation out of the gate to zap the deathstrikes, even if you whiff your attacks, you suppress a single missile, which breaks if it fails to activate on a 3+ and you have a 3+ save against.... no guarantees ofc but the odds are reasonable... you can take a dragonship, force corners to reduce his deployment zone, and have a good chance of hitting (and auto-breaking) his deathstrikes and/or vultures and/or hydras

in the same way, if someone brings a warlord list against a SL army with deathstrikes, vultures, and 4-6 shadowswords it's going to be an uphill struggle just keeping it alive, but against the same army with lots of infantry companies and little AT/TK shooting, the warlord can just park in the middle of the board and blast anything that comes into range....

taking a 3k list with a large titan, as others have said, ends up with a rock-paper-scissors type situation, it will slaughter some builds and be slaughtered by others.... you can mitigate this a little but you'll always have problems against some armies

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