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Help, Orky players!
Tas	Post subject: Help, Orky players! Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 2:49 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:01 am Posts: 7823 Location: Sydney, NSW	Quote (netepic @ 02 2003 Sep.,23:10) Blimey! Didn't expect this much interest! ? The main rules can be downloaded from this URL: http://www.netepic.org/EOTS/EOTS.PDF. I have a half written background for a campaign hidden deep in my hard drive- if you like we could resurrect it and use it as background for this campaign if it gets up.  Should save you some work at least... _________________ Tas My General blog: http://tasmancave.blogspot.com/ My VSF Blog: http://pauljamesog.blogspot.com/ My ECW Blog: http://declaresir.blogspot.com/
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Jackhammer	Post subject: Help, Orky players! Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 11:55 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:36 pm Posts: 466	I've seen in a few places that the Salamander light vehicle is being used as a command model in a number of EpicA IG company formations. Is this correct? As I'm probably going to put in a Forgeworld order sometime soon, is it worth getting some at this point? Does anyone know if the Salamander will be a essential piece of Imperial kit in the official Guard army once the game proper gets released or if it will disappear from their list? Jackhammer
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MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: Help, Orky players! Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 4:53 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	Yes, Salamanders are necessary now and Jervis has included them with the army lists. They have a metal version worked out from what I understand and it will come packed with everything needed in a box (or big blister) set. I need to buy some too so I can get going. So far, my Jopallis have been working as an infantry-heavy regiment!     Shabbat shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/
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Jimbo	Post subject: Help, Orky players! Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 5:08 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:01 pm Posts: 3495 Location: Wessex	My mate Simon has done some conversions to create Salamanders They are Imperial Bombard bases and Ork Buggy Gunners _________________ Jimbo Felix's Gaming Pages Felix's Gaming Pages Blog Almost Always Right...
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MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: Help, Orky players! Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 5:19 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	Jimbo, Thanks for sharing. I almost forgot about that easy conversion/proxy for Salamanders. Alternatively, we could go the Tuffskull route and start cutting plasticard... Shabbat shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/
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primarch	Post subject: Help, Orky players! Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 9:03 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! I have mixed feelings regarding the salamander, I think its one extra vehicle that wasn't needed since chimeras can fill most any slot on the IG army list by changing the weapons on it. In netepic we limited it to a command sort or vehicle, so as to give it a place. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules
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Jimbo	Post subject: Help, Orky players! Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 10:30 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:01 pm Posts: 3495 Location: Wessex	I forgot to add to my last post my conversion consists of a Hydra, replacing the AA weapon with one of the hatches (the one with the bolter). Looks nice. _________________ Jimbo Felix's Gaming Pages Felix's Gaming Pages Blog Almost Always Right...
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thepanu	Post subject: Help, Orky players! Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:32 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2003 10:49 am Posts: 72 Location: Espoo	I got blown to atoms last night in a game against Teekkaris Guard forces. We agreed to try game with single objective, complete and utter destruction of the other side. We decided that 5 turns would be more than enough and after that we would count the casulties and decide the winner. Well, before turn 4 ended I had nothing in the table. Not a single tinyplasticork. We agreed that I need to make some changes to my list, altough my tactical decisions were not supported by my dice rolls. I think I haven't ever seen so many ones in one game. My forces: Great Gargant Warband + 4x Battlewagon + 1x Gun Fortress + 1x Big Gun Stormboyz KoS + 4x bikes Huge Blitz Brigade + 1x Gun Fortress + 1 Oddboy Stompamob + 4x Stompas + 4x Dreadnoughts Total of 3000p Teekkari had the usual, one mech company, some SHT's, Russ Company few sentinels and a Warlord. I think I need to split those bigger formations to smaller ones to get more activations. And ditch those bikes in favor of buggys and/or scorchas. Comments appreciated.
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Shadow Hunter	Post subject: Help, Orky players! Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:38 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:41 am Posts: 1747 Location: Norton Canes, Cannock, Staffs, UK	I'll try to help, but I haven't played that many games myself. I think you'r right with the KoS.  With mine I'm sticking to buggies and Skorchas, and they are doing fine.  At the moment I use a Big KoS, and just a few scorchas.  I leave these at the back (so they are surpressed) until I'm really close to the enemy, then move them to the front. Your Stompa Mob is very expensive.  I would be temtpted to drop one or two Stompas from it, and add to your warband, which is a little small. I personally dont find the BB very useful.  I do have a Big BB, but two of them are flakwagonz for my aircover.  I am even thinking of dropping them for a garrisoned big gunz mob.  I think that would probably be a much better unit. Do you need the Great Gargant?  A regular one is still pretty good, and saves you a lot of points to spend on more units. I dont think its a bad list, as you said, you had a lot of bad luck.  Just try moving things around a little to see if it makes any difference.  I would try a regular Gargant, though, and use the extra 200pts to bolster the current units. In my most recent game, my Gargant hacked down a Warlord in combat.  And both started the fight totally unhurt.  Just watch out for its gunz.
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thepanu	Post subject: Help, Orky players! Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:58 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2003 10:49 am Posts: 72 Location: Espoo	Valid points all. Biggest reason for lot's of decision in that list fact that this was my first 3000p game, and I barely managed to get that much points. Thats why Stompamob is so big and for the same reason there is that single big gun in that warband. And this was first game for that Great Gargant, and I don't yet own regular one. And I really wanted to try that one. Warband was this small because in previous games it has been twice that size, but it hasn't ever managed to deal any significant damage. So, I think buggys are my next project. Luckily I have 4 blisters of them. Shouldn't take too long to get them painted.
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Shadow Hunter	Post subject: Help, Orky players! Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:33 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:41 am Posts: 1747 Location: Norton Canes, Cannock, Staffs, UK	I know what you mean about the Great Gargant, I'm thinking about using one just to see the difference between the two.  What I really want, though, is a soopa stompa for the stompa Mob!   I use two Warbands in my 3000 list.  A regular one and a big one.  They are very useful in in two ways.  Firstly, they look very imposing and the opponent will waste a lot of firepower trying to reduce them.  I have extra Grotz to soak up these hits (bought through extra Boyz) and a Stompa in each to soak up AT fire (I use a stompy force).  So they can take a lot of hits and still stick around for the scrap. Then they are very useful to get onto an objective and stay there.  With such big sizes (I buy extra boyz for the smaller warband too) if they do break they rally easily (ish) with a +2 modifier.  And they are a very flexible unit, able to achieve anything.  a big shoota on each boy and two on Nobz, plus what ever upgrades (gunfortess', gunwagonz, stompas etc) mean they can shoot effectively, and the same goes for assault.  Just remember those grotz! So while the opponent is wasting all his shots on your warband, the rest of the force does your damage.  Outflanking him for crossfires etc. The KoS os very useful (and damn fast)  I have a big formation (16) which is plenty.  I dont think they need the Assault value of the bikerz, since I rely on thier firepower.  These are very good for getting behind the enemy for that crossfire.
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thepanu	Post subject: Help, Orky players! Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:10 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2003 10:49 am Posts: 72 Location: Espoo	Guess I need to give my Boyz a second chance BTW how big Big Gun mobz do you use? And do you use Oddboy upgrade for them?
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Shadow Hunter	Post subject: Help, Orky players! Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:00 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:41 am Posts: 1747 Location: Norton Canes, Cannock, Staffs, UK	I'll try again, stupid computer crashing! Try a big gunz mob, and two soopagunz.  These can be garrisoned, so should have targets straight away.  Also give them extra boyz and grotz to soak up hits/supression. Give the Boyz another go.  Try a big mob for the extra nobz (and rallying) and extra grotz.  Use them to take the brunt of the enemy fire, with a stompa and dread in there too.  This way, your stompa mob can come from behind unhurt.
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thepanu

Post subject: Help, Orky players! Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:14 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2003 10:49 am Posts: 72 Location: Espoo

Try a big gunz mob, and two soopagunz. ?These can be garrisoned, so should have targets straight away. ?Also give them extra boyz and grotz to soak up hits/supression. How am I going to do that when using GT list? Only one oddboy upgrade and nobz are only infantry units allowed as upgrade. Give the Boyz another go. ?Try a big mob for the extra nobz (and rallying) and extra grotz. ?Use them to take the brunt of the enemy fire, with a stompa and dread in there too. ?This way, your stompa mob can come from behind unhurt.

That I am going to try. I did have big mob in previous games as I mentioned before, but they'll become rather expensive  when mounted to Battlewagonz.