Well, fluffwise, they are considered second generation Baneblades. They are also organizationally indistinguishable from standard superheavies.

What about removing the Superheavy Platoon, making the Baneblade variants only available as part of the Tank Cataphract? This would place more emphasis on the Machs, and further distance the Skits from the IG organizationally.

edit: In the quick reference sheet in 3.18, the Stormblade's PBG is not listed as 2x

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Upon reflection, I would be willing to give cautious support to the removal of the Baneblades, but not the Tank Cataphract. I would request that the Tank Cataphract get the option to take a Minoris command vehicle instead of the lost superheavy option. edit: also up the Minoris to 15cm speed.

Reasons:

1) Macharii seem to outclass Baneblades, point for point. I would take them over single Baneblades in this list.

2) Stormswords, while a tank I personally love, are on slippery theological ground with the Ad-Mech. In addition, the AML or Quake-cannon armed Minori would fill the role adequately, though they are longer ranged and not optimized for cityfighting.

3) Stormblades and Shadowswords are easily filled by the Minoris, as E&C has pointed out.

4) There is no real substitute for the Leman Russ in the list, especially in terms of mobility. If one chose to lose this mobility, they could add a Minoris command vehicle of they chose.

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I would be in favor of dropping the superheavies since the minorus easily fills that role. I would also favor dropping the standard Russ and the Vanquisher as both of these make the Marcharius a redundant choice. I dislike removing the macharius because it is a cool and interesting unit and I see no reason why the admech wouldn't use it as a main battle tank while shipping it off as a lesser baneblade to the IG.

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If the Mach stays, I would like it to get a larger formation size, to emphasise it is effectively the AdMech MBT. Otherwise, I can get something pretty darn close, but with four more battlecannon shots and 6 voids, for just 150pt more (Minoris Company with VMB and two Gatling Blasters).

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OK, I've pondered this for most of the day, on and off, and here are the changes I would like to see, given the choice.

1) Remove all Baneblade-style superheavies. Made redundant through appropraite use of Minoris.

2) Remove Light Transport option.

3) Remove all Hydras, and replace with formation upgrade: Flak Array - add Carapace multilasers to ONE Ordinatus in the formation: 50pt.

4) Keep Macharius formation, possibly with size increase.

5) Keep Gorgon transport. I can't see a way to make the Corvus Minoris work. I won't pay 200pt for a transport to a 300pt formation. The other option is to have a seperate Corvus Minoris statline, at which point you might as well keep the Gorgon.

6) Keep the Tank Cataphract, with an option to add a Macharius. Poss. remove option for Vanquisher, I don't know.

7) Increase the speed on the Minoris at a minimum, possibly the Majoris as well. You will in some cases be paying as much as 50pt more than the IG equivalent for a tank that has less armor, fewer DC, and slower speed, but a couple Voids as it stands now. Also, reduce the base cost of the Minoris upgrade by 25-50pt.

8.) Remove the Bombard option from the Artillery Cataphract. If the Mechanicus were prosecuting a seige, they'd bring Ordinati with AML or Quakes, and attach a Carapace Landing Pad armed Minoris.

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Well, I own plenty of those items too, painted up nice and red. But the balance and theme of the list shouldn't be decided based on keeping past mistakes.


There are plenty of Minoris type proxies available beyond just SHT's...


Noted.

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[quote=E&C]I'm just very, very worried that the list as it stands:
A - Is too bloated
B - Has no core theme
I feel the list has failed, right now, and needs a good kicking to get it back into line.[/quote]

That's a brave decision, but one with which I agree. I'm a long-time fan of the Adeptus Mechanicus, helping out with various fan-codices, running a forum and building myself a big ol' 40k-scale army of the Skitarii. I've never been tempted to use this set of Epic rules for exactly the reasons you've outlined above.

I hasten to say that I don't think it's a bad list; just not one that appeals to me, because it's so unfocussed.

The Skitarii are nearly as large an organisation as the Imperial Guard, so their ranks cover everything from the mindless clones of Anthony Reynold'sDark Apostle to Abnett's feral Skitarii from Titanicus; much as the Imperial Guard cover everything from woad-painted warriors in bark armour to the Elysian Drop Troopers.

My suggestion would be to call this current list the Martian Skitarii or something (hence the choice of pretty much everything) for the moment; and then develop some more themed sublists for individual Forgeworlds – one with no Imperial Guard equivalents, for example, for tighter, smaller (and in my opinion, better) themes.

I think you're trying to cover too much in this list, personally, and don't think it captures the feel of a Mechanicus world. If the individual Forgeworld lists take off, you can retire the Martian list, and if they don't; you've lost nothing.

Either way, until you make a final decision on your design approach, I think it's pointless arguing specific points.

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Preview / concept for v2 attached.

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I like it. The switch to Hunters threw me, but it makes sense in terms of giving a high-tech feel.

Is there an opportunity to add the CML option to Ordinatii as well, or am I beating a dead horse? It just seems fluffy to add the option for Ordinatus based AA.

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Let's keep that as a Titans-only thing, shall we?

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Fair 'nuff.

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Seems solid enough. Should transportation of skitarii be limited to gorgons? If you are adding the hunters, why not rhinos for transport as well as gorgons?

For knights, I think that better shooting could give them more options. Right now they basically charge and engage which seems a little bland especially since they tend to die rather quickly after combat.

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Seems possible.
Rhinos are more meant as airbourne transports than APC's though...

Opines guys?

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