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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:25 am 
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It appears as if there are some opponents that wish to:

1. Prepare for the Heavy Bolter Tournament &
2. Shut the World Eaters winning streak down

Let them come I say, for I shall lay waste to their futile efforts. I shall crush their bones and hear their lamentations as I bathe in their red fluids.

In all reality, hopefully it helps to tighten their forces up for the upcoming tournament.

I will not be gentle

Note: Any games played will not be reported on until after Heavy Bolter so as not to give the army compositions away




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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:35 am 
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It appears as if there are some opponents that wish to:

1. Prepare for the Heavy Bolter Tournament &
2. Shut the World Eaters winning streak down

Let the come I say, for I shall lay waste to their futile efforts. I shall crush their bones and hear their lamentations as I bathe in their red fluids.

In all reality, hopefully it helps to tighten their forces up for the upcoming tournament.

I will not be gentle

Note: Any games played will not be reported on until after Heavy Bolter so as not to give the army compositions away

Pfft, the only reason that your on a winning streak is because you played Russ and everyone BEATS Russ.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:43 am 
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Quote: (Blish @ Oct. 13 2009, 19:35 )

Pfft, the only reason that your on a winning streak is because you played Russ and everyone BEATS Russ.

I will have a special place for you at the base of the throne  :;):

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:02 pm 
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And it appears a 2nd opponent has come forth to take up the challenge.



As I say, let them come, for out of the ashes of their defeats, shall rise a Phoenix that will conquer future opponents.

Bwahahaha   :devil:

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:06 pm 
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Was just posting this in the Batrep thread when it was locked.

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Air defence is a weakness of the World Eaters. Other than fliers, they have none.


You do realize that the second sentence negates the first one, Frogbear?

Your WE list does *NOT* have a weakness when it comes to "air defence", it simply has access to planes over ground flak; there's no "weakness" whatsoever!

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Hence any air defence (being fliers in this case) takes away from their ability to secure objectives. They do not really cause all that much damage. They are a nuissance yes, but not as destructive as the same points taken on a Titan.

I'd *much* rather spend 800+ points on four formations of flyers than a single big Titan; those flyers are far more useful than just being an "annoyance"!

EPIC: Armageddon rates "utility" far above "destructiveness" when it comes to the value of units.  In your World Eaters list the aircraft are by far the must useful of the choices in the "1/3" section.  

If you really want "air defence" to be a weakness of the World Eaters price their aircraft at a premium as well, not the same cost as the Black Legion list; make taking aircraft a "tough choice" for the list, because, currently, it's a no-brainer.

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Quote: (Chroma @ Oct. 14 2009, 22:06 )

EPIC: Armageddon rates "utility" far above "destructiveness" when it comes to the value of units.  In your World Eaters list the aircraft are by far the must useful of the choices in the "1/3" section.  

If you really want "air defence" to be a weakness of the World Eaters price their aircraft at a premium as well, not the same cost as the Black Legion list; make taking aircraft a "tough choice" for the list, because, currently, it's a no-brainer.

Fair points.

I will add it to the future of reviews above.

Frankly if they are to be a choice and not a 'no brainer', I would prefer they were fixed up in the BL list playtest changes (am I the only one that has tested these?) rather than make this list so significantly different. TRC really opened my eyes to the assets the BL list has, and a repeat of this list for them is in effect quite simple.

Are they still right for their points if they were made to be 250/300 points for the 3, or keep the same points for a squad of 2 (200)?

I would really like E&C's views as his lists are quite respectable in regards to points costs.

E&C: You able to comment on the fliers in the BL playtest changes doc?




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For the Heavy Bolter challenges above, I am going to keep the formations of 3 yet price them at 250 points as part of the BL playtest changes.

The above also takes into account Forgeworld packaging of 3 to a pack.

Thanks E&C for your assistance with this.   :agree:

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Quote: (Blish @ Oct. 13 2009, 10:35 )

Pfft, the only reason that your on a winning streak is because you played Russ and everyone BEATS Russ.

:down: I am taking my mini's and going home now.  I remember when I was the Epic king and stood tall amongst those had fallen beneath the might of my vengeful armies.  I was FEARED!!! Then I got married, had kids, didnt play as much, lost touch and now get smashed.  At least my minis look good :smile:




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Quote: (LeanonRuss @ Oct. 14 2009, 23:04 )

I rember when I was the Epic king and stood tall amongst those had fallen beneath the might of my vengeful armies.  I was FEARED!!!

That time will come again Parawan

The age of humility is almost at an end....    :;):

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:45 am 
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Quote: (LeanonRuss @ Oct. 14 2009, 14:04 )

Quote: (Blish @ Oct. 13 2009, 10:35 )

Pfft, the only reason that your on a winning streak is because you played Russ and everyone BEATS Russ.

:down: I am taking my mini's and going home now.  I remember when I was the Epic king and stood tall amongst those had fallen beneath the might of my vengeful armies.  I was FEARED!!! Then I got married, had kids, didnt play as much, lost touch and now get smashed.  At least my minis look good :smile:

LOL, you the Epic, LOL now that's real funny. I remember the days when I bet all opp in the first turn inc YOU.

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To combat the 'popcorn' potential of the current list I am making the following changes for the next 2 games:

1. Hellblades for a squad of 3 will go up to 250 points
2. The bike unit will no longer be able to be taken as a unit of 4. It will be 5 bikes for 250 points.

I am loathe at this point to place the bikes up in cost (another 25 points) due to the fact that they break against a BL bike squad for the same cost, and are equal to Marines at the current cost. We shall see how the playtests go.

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List to be used tonight is below.

My main objective was to:

1. Use a ground only force - no aircraft or teleports
2. Use the Greater Brass Scorpion
3. Have a run with the Juggers after a long hiatus (determine whether these are costed correctly)
4. Use the Ravager which I have never done

No doubt it will be a hard battle indeed:

3000 points
9 activations

Ravager Titan = 625
Greater Brass Scorpion x2 = 375
Berserkers + Rhinos + Blood Lord = 350
Berserkers + Rhinos = 300
Bike Unit = 250
Bike Unit = 250
Bike Unit = 250
Defiler Engines (Defilers x4) = 275
Juggers of Khorne x6 = 325


This is a blind battle. I have no idea what I am coming up against...




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The above force lost badly against LeanonRuss' Heavy Bolter trial force

The game went to a 4th turn with LeanonRuss winning 4-0.

Without a battle report till after Heavy Bolter, I found 4 of my formations broken and failed to rally after turn 1

Turn 2 saw 4 units broken again and failed to Rally

Turn 3 had all bar the Defilers Broken. Everything rallied for the start of Turn 4 however

Turn 4 I had a skeleton force left with no hope of causing any damage.

Only 1 unit of LeanonRuss was destroyed outright in the whole battle  *shakes head*

I really need to work on my ground force tactics. I suck.   :sad:




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Quote: (frogbear @ Oct. 15 2009, 08:46 )

To combat the 'popcorn' potential of the current list I am making the following changes for the next 2 games:

1. Hellblades for a squad of 3 will go up to 250 points
2. The bike unit will no longer be able to be taken as a unit of 4. It will be 5 bikes for 250 points.

I am loathe at this point to place the bikes up in cost (another 25 points) due to the fact that they break against a BL bike squad for the same cost, and are equal to Marines at the current cost. We shall see how the playtests go.

I doubt the planes are worth that. The problem is possibly the weapons are quite tasty once you have freedom to operate (hopefully the marines demonstrated what happens when you don't). Making the guns twin linked is possibly one way around this.

I've forgotten the bike stats. Are they just normal marine bikes?

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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ Oct. 15 2009, 22:39 )

I doubt the planes are worth that. The problem is possibly the weapons are quite tasty once you have freedom to operate (hopefully the marines demonstrated what happens when you don't). Making the guns twin linked is possibly one way around this.

E&C proposed a 25 point rise. Hence I went to 50 as I believe overpricing is better than underpricing for a playtest. I am still at two minds and may just go with the 25 point rise to 225 points. Without the BL champion (whoever that is) assisting with this however (disappointing as it is), I am just a little tired of defending the planes that were placed forward for the playtest.
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I've forgotten the bike stats. Are they just normal marine bikes?


Now this is something that I have worked alot on and feel I have it right but always happy to discuss. The bikes each have 2 attacks and hit on 4+. They also have a FF4+. The Skull Lord adds a MW+1 Attack (CC).

The math will show that a 300 point unit should break against a BL Bike retinue and a 250 point unit will come out about evens against a 250 point marine bike unit with a character.

The bikes have Stubborn as well - something used only after being broken which the BL bikers and Marines are not in danger of until the World Eater bikes spend more points for higher formation numbers




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