Nah... 2mm’s way too big - I say it’s all about the Nano-scale Epic!

What, 2mm too small!
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I've played 2mm moderns actually, Isreal vs the arab world, various scenarios. You have to wonder why not use counters!

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I need glasses and a magnifying glass for epic now, 2mm is just too small to paint for me. Those 2mm mecha stuff looks like it might do some of the Tau at 6mm though.

I've used some of this 2mm stuff ... The weapons make good heavy weapons on 6mm AFVs, like Rhinos ... (note the front four AFVs)                                                                                                                                                                                                �And some of the Walkers would work for 6mm too ... Germy also makes some nice 6mm Infantry available from Brigade. �I've been tempted to get a platoons worth ... Would make good IG Cadians ... maybe ...  Germy 6mm Grunts ...

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Absolutely! I want a nano-scale Marine Chapter that can dance on the head of a pin!  

I was actually jesting when I said 2mm was too small; 6mm is perfect for gaming IMO and before this thread I hadn't realised there was such a thing as 2mm models.

That Quad Transport Walker AT-AT is the cutest. I just made an order.

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You still don't get what I'm saying. You wouldn't need to change the ground scale - the base size for infantry could remain the same. Yes, vehicles would be larger but not that much larger. 10mm scale titans, for example, could easily still fit on the same bases depending on the sculpt. You could scale up to 10mm without affecting the game that much.

And obviously we ALL have existing 6mm armies. None of us would want to throw them again, but if you were just starting Epic, would you prefer 6mm or 10mm?

Well, infantry using the same footprint would be feasible, but I'm not sure I'd like it (it'd be 3 figs to a base, or look horribly cramped). But I disagree that the difference in vehicles would be minor. 6mm to 10mm is an almost doubling of size. Putting Land Raiders into ShadowSword sizes, and ShadowSwords into, well, BIG sizes.

As for if I didn't have any pre-existing, and assuming that the 6mm and 10mm concepts were priced in a reasonable fashion? I'd still go 6mm. The price of the models in most circumstances would increase with model size.

Finally, 10mm would mean twice the detail for me to f*** up when I get around to painting them (badly).

Morgan Vening

Almost double the size of titan needs not different base?-)

Uhhuh. I don't think they are currently THAT much smaller than base they have. And frankly almost double the width and you would have one crowded bases for infantry as well. And again almost double the size of tanks.

Tables would get lot more crowded for sure.

And the prices would jump up noticably. Like paying 11.75£ for infantry box? Think how much fun it would be when you need to pay 20-25£ for it!

And nevermind the problem that 10mm are actually harder to paint than 6mm. Dunno about you but for me seeing as how epic is supposed to be about big battles I prefer fast painting.

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You still don't get what I'm saying. You wouldn't need to change the ground scale - the base size for infantry could remain the same. Yes, vehicles would be larger but not that much larger. 10mm scale titans, for example, could easily still fit on the same bases depending on the sculpt. You could scale up to 10mm without affecting the game that much.


And obviously we ALL have existing 6mm armies. None of us would want to throw them again, but if you were just starting Epic, would you prefer 6mm or 10mm?

Increasing from 6mm to 10mm is only a two-thirds increase rather than doubling. However, a tank that is two-thirds longer will also have to be two-thirds wider, so it occupies 2.8 times the area on the table (and has 4.6 times the volume). That's not a negligible increase.

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Depends - volume is of no impact and the critical factor in the games is how close it is to other units, which has only increased by one-third...

You must have huge tables then!! Otherwise would have no room to manuever with the larger 10mm figures. Because if you imcrease the size of figures but play on same size tables you are affectively playing a small scale game of W40k - no manuever, just line up and shoot/charge.

Personally I struggle with my eyesight to paint 6mm infantry- that is one of the reasons that I go tank heavy (the other is that I think massed tanks looks cool). But upping Epic from 6mm to 10mm would alienate most of the existing players and not get you many new ones.

Yes if you were starting game from scratch you might want to choose 10mm. But that discussion is pointless unless you have invented time travel and can go back to the start of Epic.

This discussion is getting a bit pointless because I suspect that most people (myself included) have pretty strong entrenched views on the matter and are unlikely to change them based on something posted in this thread. We are in danger of just going around in circles if not careful.....



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But try how many you can fit within say 12"x12" area without getting unrealistically crowded.

You would need to either increase gaming board size(not feasible for everybody) or drop the amount of units on table and thus reducing the size of battles you play. Not good.

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I think that's rather unlikely; a truescale 10mm Warlord (if they were going to do one they would make it the right scale) would be around three quarters as big again as the current one and that'd need at least an 80mm base, quite probably bigger. All vehicles would gain an extra two thirds of their current size as would all buildings and the size of the average tree, road and river.

Yes it could be done, but just because infantry stay on the same base size, there are still lots of other things that would be bigger and that would result in less manoeuvrability and units on the tabletop.

If I were just starting Epic I would honestly prefer 6mm and it does seem like the vast majority of people agree going by the poll results.