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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:42 pm 
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i'd imagine the book would feature a varient, Hive Fleet Leviathan list anyway, so it wouldn't matter if the main Nid list wasn't finished.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:44 pm 
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Yes but the Special Rules would need to be stable, unless the Gryphonne team just made up a whole new list...

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:47 pm 
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Personally I'd like to see it going its own way, perhaps somewhat in the french direction.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:49 pm 
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I don't know if the community would be behind that.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 12:22 am 
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I think it should definitely use the standard Net-EA/Chroma Tyranid list, or possibly a variant list from that like the Phase III, though personally I’d rather it just be vanilla Tyranids. Dividing the playtesting and efforts we have with a separate parallel list seems like madness.

*is sad that Chroma seems not to want to let them play and do cool things with the Tyranids*
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Maybe I’m just newly back and getting back into it all and too full of hope and optimism and excitement for what the community has done thusfar and can achieve.

I’m sure E&C (and everyone involved) could do great things for the Tyranids and this background setting and inspire more people to game with them- look at the amount of enthusiasm that has been expressed in just this thread alone, which not everyone necessarily looks into, which could be harnessed and channelled to test the list in a year or however long. Mossinians isn't getting as much attention as it could, but not many people have armies for them, while Tyranids are a major race and lots of people have them.

As gradually more people get into Vassal playing could get easier and, speaking personally, if it becomes a supplement on the horizon I will start devote some play time down the line to test and report battles for the tyranids, if not then I’ll likely concentrate more on other things instead.





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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:25 am 
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Quote: (GlynG @ 17 May 2009, 00:22 )

*is sad that Chroma seems not to want to let them play and do cool things with the Tyranids* :sigh:

*SNIP*

while Tyranids are a major race and lots of people have them.

That's my primary concern, since a Gryphonne IV supplement would *also* be introducing another major "race" to the mix, the Adeptus Mechanicus.  That's a pretty broad focus.  Such a supplement requires major playtesting of two vastly different armies, that, to me, really dilutes the playtesting pool.

My preference would be to see a Tyranid-focused supplement, e.g. "Epic: Hive War", with the full/core Tyranid list as the main army with "secondary/variant" armies filling out the supplement *and* an Adeptus Mechanicus-focused supplement with *other* "secondary/variant" lists.  Neither the Adeptus Mechanicus nor the Tyranids should have to share "screen time", each should be the core focue of their own supplements.

E&C has already sent me his Hivefleet Leviathan variant and it's a "stripped down" variant of the Tyranids, which is *not* what I think should be the "first" Tyranid release.  It's a cool list and has its own quirks, but it doesn't make use of all the produced Tyranid models, so it wouldn't be the "full" army.  Including a Tyranid-variant list in there would be great though.




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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:35 am 
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All of which means that 'Leviathan' can't go ahead until 'Hive War' is done.

And Hive War is pretty low on your priority list I assume?

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:49 am 
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 17 May 2009, 01:35 )

And Hive War is pretty low on your priority list I assume?

Heck no!  If Tyranid playtest were to increase, it would jump "Hive War" up to second on the list... "Total War" is my current top project as I think a lot of other things can be built upon it.

"Black Crusade" is dependent on how the Chaos lists are developed, something I've got no control over; I can write stories and fluff, collect more pictures and photos (We've got a good amount already, thanks Mosc and Stug!), put together modelling/painting guides, etc, but it can't be completed until the two Chaos Champs change/finish/test their lists and I don't want to step on any toes.  

On the other hand, all the armies that I'd like to see in "Hive War" are ones I *can* control... for the most part... *laugh* so that means things can move *much* more quickly.




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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:52 am 
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But that's my point; A Gryphonne IV nid list wouldn't be the main nid list, so it doesn't matter if it's finished, since it's not intended as the main list.

I personally much prefer the idea of varient lists in suppliments, with main lists developed outside of suppliments. This stops lists getting bogged down by being in suppliments, as arguably the raiders "main" lists (Necron and DE) have been. It doesn't matter if a varient list gets bogged down.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:20 pm 
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Quote: (Moscovian @ Mar. 27 2009, 16:47 )

Supplement Name:  Black Crusade
Project Leader: Chroma
Status: Preliminary, most lists are stable, some still new, nothing else done to my knowledge, currently on hold
Armies: Lost & the Damned (Chaos)?, Black Legion (Chaos), Cadian (IG), Ulthwe' Eldar, Ordo Malleus (Inquisition)?
Size: Projected Very Large
Notes: This is the monster project and has the potential to exceed the size of Epic: Armageddon.  With around five army lists, scenarios, modeling sections, painting sections, and fiction, Black Crusade will probably be the most difficult of all fan supplements to complete.   It also will probably be the most popular of all the supplements being proposed due to the popularity of the lists involved and the availability of the models.  While Chroma may be focusing his attention on Total War, you should feel free to contact him with ideas or things you can do.  Modeling pictures, How-To tutorials, original artwork you have found or created... All are important and can be compiled now for use later.

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I can take some photos from my Obliterator and Deamon prince conversion projects. I have also scratch builded two chaos war altars.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:28 pm 
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Quote: (jasca @ Oct. 14 2009, 19:20 )

[quote="Moscovian,Mar. 27 2009, 16:47 "]Supplement Name:  Black Crusade

I can take some photos from my Obliterator and Deamon prince conversion projects. I have also scratch builded two chaos war altars.

Feel free to drop me a note with details!  "Black Crusade" is on a bit of a hiatus at the moment, but it's still getting done.

Thanks for your interest!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:13 am 
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But that's my point; A Gryphonne IV nid list wouldn't be the main nid list, so it doesn't matter if it's finished, since it's not intended as the main list.

I personally much prefer the idea of varient lists in suppliments, with main lists developed outside of suppliments. This stops lists getting bogged down by being in suppliments, as arguably the raiders "main" lists (Necron and DE) have been. It doesn't matter if a varient list gets bogged down.


Not sure I agree. If Tyranids are released in a semi-official completed book, regardless of if you scream 'variant', it will be considered the first semi-offical Tyranid army list, it will be used as a baseline for future variants. When you release a product like a Supplement it's meant to be done, not a halfway house or beta test.

Additionally variants tend to maintain the unit types, pts costs and army special rules from the originals/first lists for obvious reasons- they both represent the same creatures/race traits.

Trying to release a 2nd Nid army list that is radically different from the already released Nid list is asking for supreme confusion.

I also don't agree that supplements like Swordwind and Raiders are a bad idea for 'serious' army release, nor would I treat armies released in this format as variants that don't matter.

It's a slap in the face of the supplement creators to basically say they're efforts don't count, and they don't have to produce a completed army list, as they'll be ignored anyway.

Do the Tyranids right, or not at all, basically. Supplements are completed products, ensure they include completed lists.

I don't see how two new armies in the book (AdMech and Tyranids) is detrimental as long as both armies are playtested thoroughly against existing armies. There is some potential for the playtesting to be halved on each rather than concentrated on one- but TBH the vast majority of players won't be trying to playtest both armies anyway. They'll playtest what they want to playtest.
You'd get the same amount of playtesting on each if they are done alone or at the same time- the player base on TacComms already playtests several different armies simultaneously depending on their preference.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:53 am 
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Quote: (evilhomer @ May 16 2009, 21:53 )

I'm surprised noones suggested a heresy-era supplement :)

I would really like to see that, even though it's essentially marine on marine carnage, we could have some nice primarchial action. I would say the main focus of this type of book would be to focus on large scale engagements, campaign scenarios and modeling.

Actually, you could take the bell of lost souls 40k supplement and scale it by 1/5

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:49 am 
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Sorry for Threadomancy, but guys, give Status to the Projects. Which living and which Death?


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We're still testing the lists for Epic Xenos.

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