That's exactly what I meant, you've summed it up nicely  

Warhead: I prefer Irisado - soñando debajo del arco iris (dreaming under the rainbow) myself, but I'm often told I'm too poetic.

Chroma:  If you do get chance to tinker with that idea, I think it that it would be a very interesting experiment.  I know you've got a lot of other rules to sort out first though.

Moscovian: I think you've just volunteered yourself to write a compendium .  So, when will you start?

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Hmm. I was commenting more on your original post here:



The way I understand it the Avatar does not return back to the Craftworld while the Eldar are still in the field. He fights on as many fronts as possible being summoned across continents or worlds from one warzone to another.

The Avatar only retires to the Craftworld if all Eldar armies also retire OR he is banished back to the Craftworld. He is banished when his physical form is destroyed. When that happens a new ritual to awaken him must be performed.

Your original post implied that he was mortal in that there were risks to his safety involved. There are no risks that he can be destroyed, none whatsoever. The Eldar don't think twice about using him to take on literally anything their enemies can throw at him.

He's their embodiment of war and murder. You won't find him sitting on his metal ass at his crib on the Craftworld while the Eldar are waging war.

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He's their embodiment of war and murder. You won't find him sitting on his metal ass at his crib on the Craftworld while the Eldar are waging war.

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Ah, I see, but if you look at my reply to Warhead earlier in the thread, you'll read that I pointed out that I had made a mistake.

I might be a big fan of Eldar background, but I don't always remember all of it correctly, so I got myself in a bit of a tangle.

What I was thinking of was the fact that if the Avatar is destroyed it can have knock on effects for nearby Eldar units in terms of their morale.  I then wrongly expanded this into a discussion about mortality, which was an error.

In terms of his staying on the battle field in terms of background, I believe that you are correct.

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Hey that's a point though. Don't the Eldar have to take a break test or something if the Avatar is physically destroyed. You would think something like that would be a blow to morale. Maybe that should be the downside of having an Avatar or don't the rules allow for this? You could restrict it's effect by range say 30/45cm.

Avatar implodes in distance. Shocked Guardian exclaims
"Och, no! there goes the Avatar!.."
Warlock replies...
"Meh, it's fine. Happens ever other battle, no worries. Now, Charge!"

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There are no morale tests in EA. But I can see where you're going with that.

You could say that if the Avatar were to stay on the battlefield for the entire game, and he was destroyed during the course of it, then all friendly formations within 15cm take a blast marker.

It would be similar to the way in which friendly formations within 15cm of a unit that looses an assault are dealt with.

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There are indeed no morale tests there, since E:A uses the (much superior, IMO) Blast Markers. Now if we take a look at the Avatar crit from Swordwind, p.12:

Critical Hit Effect: With a ghastly wail the Avatar falls to the ground, twitches and lies still. All Eldar formations with a unit with a line of fire to the Avatar are so shaken by this that they receive a Blast marker.

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Thanks for the intervention Irondeath.  

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I was all set to quote that very passage from the rules this morning, but Irondeath has beaten me to it.

The point about the loss of the Avatar and the morale implications I was alluding to earlier ties up neatly with the point Irondeath has highlighted, I just overextended this point in my initial argument.

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I would think the blast markers from offing Avatar come not because of his irreplaceability but because of the shock inherent in seeing the living embodiment of the Kaela Mensha Khaine, the Bloody Handed God getting his arse handed to him by the inferior species (i.e. any non-Eldar).

I've got a suggestion, maybe. Obviously would need to be tinkered for balance. I've added a couple of optional limitations in the rules below.

5.9.4 Avatar
The Avatar may be deployed as a permanent unit (not summonable, no 1 turn only limitation).
The choice to do this must be listed in your army.
Option: The Avatar mat not be deployed by any means other than within 15cm of Eldar table edge (no webway/garrison/etc)
Option: The resources required to secure the more manifest Avatar require 3? Farseers in the army.
The Avatar is considered to have a value equal to the Eldar player's most expensive unit, for purposes of calculating Break The Spirit (BTS).

The last, I don't consider an option, as having the Avatar grace the Eldar presence on the battlefield, rather than just pop in to visit, means his loss is all the more important. At least as important as the armies most expensive unit. However, I didn't want him to be the ONLY BTS, because that'd allow a cheesy Eldar player to hide a costless model up the back and minimise the ability for the opponent to achieve that objective without devoting disproportionate resources to that effect.

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or am i the only one who gets into big oversized E:A games where the tournement lists start to break down ?

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As for scenarios, I'll try to think of ideas. I think a thorough set of common military 40kverse scenarios would be a good start, like those in SG articles about planetary landing and assault of fortifications.