I am newcomer to these discussions having not played Epic recently, when a new play group has gotten me very excited about the game again.  I have been playing my Tau since before the EpicA book was released and I am glad to see the list is still being actively used/developed.

It has been interesting reading through the threads on the development of the list and where it is headed.  Which I have had plenty of time for as my town is currently buried in snow.  Here is what I think I have gathered as the general consensus of what should change:

The list is considered too strong right now.  Whether this is a little or a lot seems to vary, but most agree that some things should be toned down.

Sentry drones appear to be more trouble than they are worth and will likely be removed.  (possibly to appear later in a variant list?)

All of the Air Caste have too much firepower and need to be toned down.  TRC made a proposal that most seem to agree with.

Independent drone formations are a problem in how cheap an activation they are, but I don't think anyone has a great solution aside from their removal.  If they do stay they should take BMs like a normal unit.

The Scorpionfish/Stingray have been tough to balance from a points perspective.  

Is that about right?  Did I miss anything?  There seem to be several other issues up for debate, but these ideas seem relatively well agreed on.

I tend to agree with Hena here. Strange how things change over time, eh Hena?  

I'm with Hena on the Gun Drones, Stingrays and Scorpionfish aswell.

If TRC's AX-1-0 is NOT a war Engine then I don't have a problem with them.

Sentry Turret/Tower rules can be changed so they are not "more trouble than they are worth".

Proposed synergy for GM/ML should resolve Seeker missile issues (no need for Single Shot aswell).

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Where can we find Chris's proposed changes for aircraft?
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I think the following are broadly agreed upon, though not universally so:

Losing the unguided firing mode from GMs, so requiring MLs to shoot them (and integrating the +1 to hit into the basic stats). Possibly increase GM range as well.

Some form of shooting downgrade on the moray, whether in number of shots or range. Testing of always popped up to see if it's viable.

Moving sentry turrets (and probably vespid) to section 6.

Downgrading the guns on the Manta, and probably making it cheaper.

TRCs aircraft stats, at least as a basis.

Expendable for drones, so fully drone formations take BMs as normal.

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I'm with Hena on the Gun Drones, Stingrays and Scorpionfish aswell.

If TRC's AX-1-0 is NOT a war Engine then I don't have a problem with them.

Sentry Turret/Tower rules can be changed so they are not "more trouble than they are worth".

Proposed synergy for GM/ML should resolve Seeker missile issues (no need for Single Shot aswell).

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Er... why do you have to buy a spacecraft to field it?

You can just buy a Moray (or two) on its own and deploy it during normal setup.

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Because of the Support Craft rule, it is usually better to deploy these units via PlanetFall (needing a Space Craft) and retaining, thus avoiding getting blown apart/broken before they can be activated (I've had my Morays broken often before I even get an activation).

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Honda: Both the Moray and Manta have been well discussed elsewhere, let's not turn this into another thread debating them. Suffice to say that a majority were definately in favour of downgunning both, and dropping the manta's price.

Currently the Manta has roughly twice the firepower it does in 40k and the background (where it's primarily a troop transport), and the Moray is intensely disliked by many for it's point and click nature.

It should cause the same level of consternation that a Reaver or Warlord does as far as capabilities goes, and then be priced accordingly.

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No, it shouldn't. "closest equivilent the Tau have to a titan" doesn't mean "as shooty as a warlord titan". Background and 40k wise it's armed somewhere between a warhound and a reaver. Currently it's overgunned.

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One of the options on the table is to change/remove the "Support Craft" rule and replace is with "always popped-up"... then it would be possible for Manta/Morays to be out of line of sight of enemies who are right against scenery and would allow enemies to hide in terrain "shadows" at times, eliminating the "point-and-click" nature of the unit.

It makes both units more enjoyable for both players.

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Zombo, I know you've read the 40K codex where it describes Mantas as the primary anti-titan weapon of the Tau... NOT just a transport.
Leave the solely transport stuff out of this as it is a completely wrong impression of the Mantas abilities.

I'm not in favour of Always Popped Up and I've covered the valid reasons before.
I won't say anymore here unless it's called for, because as you say, it's already been said.

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