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MaksimSmelchak

Post subject: MSH/Epic Crossover Game Ideas? - Hammer Head Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 4:39 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Mojarn, The big question is: has anybody here played MSH? Yes. MSH is big in my neck of the woods. I'm not overly fond of it. The basing standards can be very clunky and the game can be overly generic as Epic40k was/is. I would not be a great advocate of an MSH/Epic crossover for the previously stated reasons. Having said that, MSH is a great rule system and runs very smoothly. Maybe I'm too used to the clunky properties of Epic, but I find MSH to be bland, robotic, and just not that much fun at times. I think that the older Epic rules work great for modern or W.W.II crossovers. The biggest MSH idea that Epic could benefit from is the switch to the D10 or D20, which would greatly improve the game. I hate being stuck with D6 (rough 16% brackets) probabilities. Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/

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primarch

Post subject: MSH/Epic Crossover Game Ideas? - Hammer Head Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 3:52 am

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Hi! The biggest MSH idea that Epic could benefit from is the switch to the D10 or D20, which would greatly improve the game. I hate being stuck with D6 (rough 16% brackets) probabilities. Many on the netepic list would agree with you, and I think someone actually may have come up with a conversion for SM into d10's. Thats why I decided to make Heresy in d10, d6's are too restrictive. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules

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Mojarn Piett	Post subject: MSH/Epic Crossover Game Ideas? - Hammer Head Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 6:54 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 7:35 am Posts: 5455 Location: Finland	Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 01 2003 Aug.,16:39) Mojarn, The big question is: has anybody here played MSH? Yes. MSH is big in my neck of the woods. I'm not overly fond of it. The basing standards can be very clunky and the game can be overly generic as Epic40k was/is.

I disagree on this. There's plenty of variation in the units and the command & fire priority system is really great at taking away the "God's knowledge" a tabletop wargamer has. I do agree there has been some abstraction, but at divisional scale it's a necessary evil.

As for the basing, what's "clunky" about it?

I would not be a great advocate of an MSH/Epic crossover for the previously stated reasons.

Having said that, MSH is a great rule system and runs very smoothly. Maybe I'm too used to the clunky properties of Epic, but I find MSH to be bland, robotic, and just not that much fun at times.

I think that the older Epic rules work great for modern or W.W.II crossovers.

You mean SM1? Nearly any game can be converted to any other. However, the armor system of ANY epic game does not allow much variation.


The biggest MSH idea that Epic could benefit from is the switch to the D10 or D20, which would greatly improve the game. I hate being stuck with D6 (rough 16% brackets) probabilities.

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

MSH uses d6