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Epic back in the ForgeWorld catalogue.
tneva82
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:00 am 
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(Bombot @ Aug. 31 2006,10:50)
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GW will keep SG so long as they keep selling models.  Pfft, I mean what are the additional overheads?  Andy Hall's wages and some server space, and that's about it.

Yes. They are going to KEEP epic. However they won't be EXPANDING epic as THAT would cost more.

Minimum resources to sell as much of existing stuff as possible. Why spend any more resources in that situation?

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(Bombot @ Aug. 31 2006,11:50)
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Pfft, I mean what are the additional overheads? ?Andy Hall's wages and some server space, and that's about it.

Unfortunately, no it's not:

warehouse space
production queues
IT overhead
administrative overhead
mould creation and casting (for any new miniature)

Managing several full ranges of additional products is hardly free. In fact, while I do not know the data I'm willing to bet that from a financial POV it doesn't make any sense for GW to keep SG games into production given their current state (i.e. if they are not willing to put some serious marketing effort into them).
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Slightly off topic but I think my previous plea for info was mislaid.  Does anyone know what the models are that Forgeworld are pushing currently?  Are they the aircraft models?  Or should I go an order some stuff!  :)

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ForgeWorld are currently working on new Epic scale aircraft, including the Thunderhawk Gunship & Transporter, the Arvus lighter, and probably a few other pieces besides (As-yet unseen).

Next year will see Daemon Engines made for 40k, and I wouldn't be surprised to see new Daemon Engine models made for Epic at the same time (As long as Chaos is released by that time; FW have a policy of not producing Epic models for unsupported ranges).

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(Magnus @ Aug. 31 2006,11:13)
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(Bombot @ Aug. 31 2006,11:50)
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Pfft, I mean what are the additional overheads? ?Andy Hall's wages and some server space, and that's about it.

Unfortunately, no it's not:

warehouse space
production queues
IT overhead
administrative overhead
mould creation and casting (for any new miniature)

Managing several full ranges of additional products is hardly free. In fact, while I do not know the data I'm willing to bet that from a financial POV it doesn't make any sense for GW to keep SG games into production given their current state (i.e. if they are not willing to put some serious marketing effort into them).

Nearly all those extra costs would still apply if 40k or Fantasy miniatures were produced in their place.  Ok, if GW's production capacity was stretched, then maybe making the extra ranges becomes an issue, but seeing as they've opened all this fancy new plant and sales volumes are going down...well, put it this way, if Feral Orks made it out I think Chaos should too.

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(Bombot @ Aug. 31 2006,12:35)
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Nearly all those extra costs would still apply if 40k or Fantasy miniatures were produced in their place. ?Ok, if GW's production capacity was stretched, then maybe making the extra ranges becomes an issue, but seeing as they've opened all this fancy new plant and sales volumes are going down...well, put it this way, if Feral Orks made it out I think Chaos should too.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I absolutely agree about that fact. Still, even if GW's capacity is not stretched, managing the same (or higher) amount of revenues with less ranges and less minis to produce has been good for them. Until now.

Of course, the market is not completely elastic, so prices cannot be raised forever. And diversification could certainly help sooner or later...
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tneva82
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(Bombot @ Aug. 31 2006,11:35)
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Nearly all those extra costs would still apply if 40k or Fantasy miniatures were produced in their place.  Ok, if GW's production capacity was stretched, then maybe making the extra ranges becomes an issue, but seeing as they've opened all this fancy new plant and sales volumes are going down...well, put it this way, if Feral Orks made it out I think Chaos should too.

Just one difference. FB and 40k sells. Epic doesn't as well as they.

And why they released feral orks? Well howabout this: Swordwind was produced when SG had more support. If they hadn't released feral orks it would have looked even worse as PR than it's now. Now with no new supplements released they can eventually just say "epic doesn't sell enough" and pull the plug from the life support system before chaos gets released. No expansion having been released with army not having released now.

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(tneva82 @ Aug. 31 2006,12:05)
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Just one difference. FB and 40k sells. Epic doesn't as well as they..

Recheck my point about production capacity.

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Just one difference. FB and 40k sells. Epic doesn't as well as they..

Recheck my point about production capacity.

Why spend resources on something that doesn't sell when you can be spending same resources on something that sells?

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(tneva82 @ Aug. 31 2006,12:29)
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Why spend resources on something that doesn't sell when you can be spending same resources on something that sells?

Because they're already selling as much as they can of the "other thing that sells" - i.e. demand is what is governing sales volumes, not production capacity.  If people were falling over each other getting into stores to get their hands on 40k Marines and production couldn't keep up, then ok get those machines that are making Epic stuff to make Marines instead.  But no way is that what is happening.

If Epic literally didn't sell then they'd stop making it.  Clearly it does shift some units.

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If Epic literally didn't sell then they'd stop making it.  Clearly it does shift some units.

It sells just enough to keep it in sales for a while. However not anywhere near to expand it anymore...

It's just matter of time before they pull the plug on SG for good. It's not like SG sales are going to continue steady with lack of support.

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(tneva82 @ Aug. 31 2006,12:53)
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It's just matter of time before they pull the plug on SG for good. It's not like SG sales are going to continue steady with lack of support.

Come on, we've been over this.  There are evidently new players.  Some of us don't need GW to hold our hands when playing a game so don't really care about the lack of official support.

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Come on, we've been over this.  There are evidently new players.  Some of us don't need GW to hold our hands when playing a game so don't really care about the lack of official support.

But if they don't release new models are you going to keep buying same models indefinetly?

How many ork armies you are planning to buy anyway?

With GW's falling sales how long you think they are going to keep goodwill's support on SG rather than using those resources in an attempt to fix sales on main games?

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I've said my bit on all those points already tneva.

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At the start of the year, Epic was removed from the ForgeWorld catalogue... well today I recieved my latest delivery from them (A Reaver titan) and they're now including an extra A2 sized sheet featuring the latest releases on one side, and Epic / Warmaster on the other side.

That is all... :)

Hi!

Good. I hope they finally release some more epic stuff, its been a while.

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