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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 1:42 am 
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For me, I have had the fun of being in a group for the last few months. However, pick-up games has been my primary method of playing.

As a side note, many of the guys I know are also fans of the rules and house rules seem to be rare with them.

Now, that is not to say I do not know some people who's house rules list is longer then the rules  :laugh:

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Well when I first started playing Epic in '90, I was all for standardized rules, but then we started to do our own thing, and always based our modifications on some precedent and logic.

Plus I started playing wargames (Avalon Hill, SPI, etc., etc.,), in the early '70s, so I have a lot of hands-on experience. ?

That being said, dafrca and Neal, I understand your concerns (and feel your pain), my point stays the same, play the rules as is, play house rules (with or without cheese), play SM1, SM2, E40K, etc., but again do what works for you... ?:;):

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Well when I first started playing Epic in '90, I was all for standardized rules, but then we started to do our own thing, and always based our modifications on some precedent and logic.

Plus I started playing wargames (Avalon Hill, SPI, etc., etc.,), in the early '70s, so I have a lot of hands-on experience. ?

That being said, dafrca and Neal, I understand your concerns (and feel your pain), my point stays the same, play the rules as is, play house rules (with or without cheese), play SM1, SM2, E40K, etc., but again do what works for you... ?:;):

Legion 4, I think we agree. I will always think of the games as mine once I bought them and I will change what I want to fit my needs.

I also know that if I change too much that finding someone who will play me with the rules as I have created them will be harder then if I try to stay close to the rules as written. Regardless of the version I play, EpicA or SM1, SM2, E40K or even NetEpic :-)

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Well the advantage I have is, we have a small gaming crew and we work together on the rules. If you expect to game on a broader front then you should stick to "as is rules." ?

My other gaming buddies are SM2 fans, so when we go to game over there, we play SM2, they come to this side of town it's - "hybrid" rules. At one time I was a "strict constructionist"...

But as that old rock song goes, "love the one you're with"... ?:;):

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Hi!

It's interesting to see all the variety on who people play. At least in my experience most gamers have pretty well-defined groups or places where they play the same people, some more frequent than others, but the same people.

I think it would be fun to play "total strangers" frequently so as to get fresh perspectives on the game. I know I learn a lot more about a game everytime I move and have to find new people to play. Playing the same people all the time is challenging in the sense that you can't fool them with the same tactics, but it makes games pretty "stereotypical" too.

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I know what you guys mean about groups. When AT-1 / SM-1 came out, we had a small group of three players that got together very regularly.

By the time of SM-2, I was in the military and my life kept moving with new posts until I got to Beale AFB where I had a group of about 5 to 8 players that got together rather regularly. Eventually the group fell apart, James, the Eldar player, became a born-again Christian. Tom, the poor Ork player, was a refueling boom operator and was transfered off-base. The chaos player was killed in a car accident, may he rest in peace. The other Eldar player was Baker, the real road warrior, who retired from the USAF and is floating somehwere around Colorado. I was the Squat and IG player and I'm still around. Baker is the only one I still keep contact with when I can.

I was away for almost all of SM-2 / TL, but I still managed to play when I got home. The new supersized units were great. I loved juggling the infantry and crews of the MegaGargants and Imperiators around.

I missed Epic-40k while overseas studying and working. By the time I got back, it had mostly petered out. I bought some stuff and only played a handful of games until about 2001 when I got back to the Sacramento area and met a new group of guys. I never really got to know the local shop Epic-40k group although we played a few games. One of them was a huge game on a 16'x4' map with the "Allied" forces fighting against the "axis" forces across a map. It was pretty hairy.

Chern and Friar became my Epic friends and we played small games on and off (but mostly we played BFG, they're both naval nuts) until the E-A Playtest rules came out. Chern and I playtested E-A until about June when he was posted elsewhere in the state on a Summer assignment. Things have been slow since. Chern will return in another month or two.

One of my projects has been to link up the Northern California players, but it's hard work since replies can be very erratic.

So, in summation, I've mostly played with small groups that could agree on rules or peacefully work out disputes. I took it in the hsorts several times when I decided to let a dispute go because it's just a game. Most of the unruly guys who I've played with (as in the ones that couldn't work out disputes) all gravitate to 28mm 40k sooner or later.

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I have to agree with Maksim, again, even if he is an X-Air Force guy!!! :laugh: ?

Most of the unruly types gravitate or stay with 40K!!! :laugh: ?

As for cheesy rules - I hate them!

I'm lactose intolerant! :laugh: :;):

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Quote (primarch @ 23 2003 July,07:45)
I think it would be fun to play "total strangers" frequently so as to get fresh perspectives on the game. I know I learn a lot more about a game everytime I move and have to find new people to play. Playing the same people all the time is challenging in the sense that you can't fool them with the same tactics, but it makes games pretty "stereotypical" too.

I agree with this one 100%. When you play someone you do not know it is different because they could do anything. In our group there was a player who for the first few games brought almost the exact same army. It became boring because you knew what to expect.

When I play a pick-up game I must take care as the person could bring anything and I need to counter it.

To me, the pick-up games are closer to what the GT would be like. Make your list and take what comes at you with a smile and a roll of the dice.

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Hi!

I tend to stay away from 40k for the reasons stated, not that all are like that, but it seems to attract some unsavory types.

I think that the best thing about moving so much through the years was the fact that I played with so many different people with their own take on the rules and strategy. Even when I thought I seen it all someone would surprise me.

Variety is INDEED the spice of life...

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Quote (primarch @ 23 2003 July,17:19)
I think that the best thing about moving so much through the years was the fact that I played with so many different people with their own take on the rules and strategy. Even when I thought I seen it all someone would surprise me.

As a student I moved around and went to three different schools. I saw the same thing. It was great to find some new people and then watch how they did things different. It was fun and it also caused quite a few lively discussions: D

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 9:45 pm 
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Back on topic...

I might actually build an Alpha Legion army.  Most of the stuff I have is blue and yellow, so it would be easy to paint it blue and green.

I think the new list seems balanced.

CSMs are scouts, as Alpha Legion.

I suspect most of my opponents would be fine with LatD allies, in the absence of summoning daemons.

Are any of you guys building any of the chaos legions?  If so, which ones?

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Quote (nealhunt @ 30 2003 July,06:45)
Are any of you guys building any of the chaos legions? ?If so, which ones?

I am currently collecting the makings of a chaos horde, but am not putting it togther until I finish my IG Regiments..must...focus...

I am planning a Black Legion (cant resist having Horus's own boys!) with contingents from others in the midst.  Heavy firepower will be courtesy of the Iron Warriors "enemy defence removal service" while I plan on a significant LatD contingent to allow me to mix and match as I need.  This should thus give me a dark and sinister chaosy look, but with splashes of colour amongst it.

Traitor Titan support is provided (currently) by a pair of Warhounds and a Warlord.

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You know, I really dug the Black Legion before all the Abaddon storyline crap.  I even had a company painted up back in the SM/TL days.  Now, though... bleh
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Right now I'm torn about whether to pick a legion that can get by with the BL list and repaint everything, or hold out for a Tzeentch list.

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My problem is the whole demon thing. If they were just rebels then I'd have quite a few armies, but the whole whacked-out demon thing isn't something I like to encourage by building armies. There are already anough crazies out there...  :D

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I have all the Daemon models in my Chaos Forces, however I rarely ever used them.

Chaos started out as rebels with a possessed Leader - Horus. But other planets have become overrun by Chaos Cults throughout "history" too.

I see the whole Daemon thing as Aliens as opposed to the evil Demonic take.

Regardless, call me "old school", but I'd rather spend points on Preds and Land Raiders than Bloodletters, etc..

However, I like having options... :;): ?

That being said, a Chaos Force with a lot of Daemons in the mix is different to fight than, a straight Chaos force without them. ?

It's a matter of taste, I guess, and whether or not you're possessed by Daemons yourself! :o ?}:)

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