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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:30 pm 
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Hi

As you might have guessed, I like Air games, but am unaware of these Italian rules or your versions. Would it be possible to send me the title and synopsis of both the Italian rules and your DFC rules - or even to post them somewhere (but check on copyright etc first).

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:28 pm 
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Ginger,

Actually, altitude makes a big difference in air combat, as it changes the shape of your turn, and can add or subtract speed. ?Also, in gun combat, 500 feet makes a big difference.

[edit]  Conversely, removing altitude makes sense in a space game, in micro-gravity.  I don't know enough about orbital mechanics to attempt an orbital interception game.





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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:08 am 
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Lion

Of course you are absolutely correct that in a dogfight, especially between slower aircraft, height and speed do matter, as do wing loading, center of gravity, aspect ratio and power to weight ratio etc - all have a significant effect on rate of roll and turn capabilities.

There is a whole stack of mathmatical modeling and other flying characteristics which can be added if desired, much of which tends to need some form of record keping, and which can tend to slow a game down.

That is not to decry your valid comments or those rule sets which go to a greater level of detail. However, the experimental rules under consideration in the SG forum are required to conform with the EA format and also to permit combat between moderately large numbers of A/c, so must be correspondingly simplistic.

That is not to say that we are abandoning height altogether. I am developing some thoughts around fighting within five height "zones" ranging from Nap of the Earth to Space orbit, but in principle combat within each zone will be considered separately.

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I will talk to guy about getting a copy.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:35 pm 
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Several years ago, I played a hexbased WW2 flying game (I think it was DFC, but I may be mistaken...too many liberty ports since then :p ) where there were 3 altitude bands, with 6? distinct heights in each band.  Each height in band added a hex to the range.  With even a .50cal having a range of 3 hexes, that made it very important to get right on someone.  There'd need to be some major changes for Epic simplicity (and hexless combat!), but that was the big thing I remember.

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I'm impressed with the knowledge of all of your aircraft history, boyz !  :;):   You did your home work !  :laugh:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:58 pm 
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When one of your biggest heroes growing up is Chuck Yeager, both parents have at least soloed in light aircraft, and you went to school to be an aircraft mechanic...  You tend to pick it up.  It also helped that there were 2 P51Ds on the airfield where my classroom was... god, what an awesome sound when one goes blasting down the runway on a 'low pass' at full military power (probably 450+kts, well over the airport speed limit)!

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I picked up most of my knowledge from reading and building model airplanes. I've been a military history junky since I was 10!  :p :cool:

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Well, that too, DS, but you haven't lived until you've heard a Merlin in full cry, all 1700 horsepower of it.  Jet noise?  It's just noise.  I grew up listening to F4s flying.  Feeling that huge prop on a Mustang claw through the air 100 yards away, beating at your chest, you swear that the ground itself is shaking in fear.  That's awe-inspiring.  I've never seen or felt any jet that could make your chest rattle like that.  Not commercial, not B52s, not B1s, not F111s.  But a 45 year-old beast makes me giddy.  I _want_ one.

Looking at the prop blades, each one is almost as tall as I am, each exhaust port is 3" across.  The centrifugal supercharger is bigger than most old musclecars air cleaners!  That is what a Warbird is to me.  Grumpy when she wakes up, but let her finish waking up (warm up) and treat her nice, there's nothing better.  Push her too much, though, and she will let you know when she's done playing (usually by just stopping and letting you coast down to the ground... the biyotch).

I've got to get to the Reno Unlimited Air races this September.  Many warbirds, all modified to be monsters making more than twice the horsepower of their original designs.  It's the closest thing to Nirvana on earth for a horsepower addict.  NASCAR and drag racing just don't do it anymore.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:59 am 
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I used to go to IWM Duxford's Flying Legends airshow every year- seeing 20+ Spitfires, Hurricanes and a secection of WWII heavy bombers flying overhead, mock dogfighting, doing low passes was just fantastic....

And yeah, big Merlins certainly generate some power; the backwash from the props as we stood behind the Battle of Birtain flight's Lancaster as it revved up to taxi onto the runway nearly knocked half of us over! :D

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Well of course, my interest in history and model building is where I started too ! :D  My Ma built P39s during WWII !  And as an LT in the 101, I called in A-10s !  :;):

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Quote (Lion in the Stars @ 10 Jan. 2006 (22:43))
Well, that too, DS, but you haven't lived until you've heard a Merlin in full cry, all 1700 horsepower of it. ?Jet noise? ?It's just noise. ?I grew up listening to F4s flying. ?Feeling that huge prop on a Mustang claw through the air 100 yards away, beating at your chest, you swear that the ground itself is shaking in fear. ?That's awe-inspiring. ?I've never seen or felt any jet that could make your chest rattle like that. ?Not commercial, not B52s, not B1s, not F111s. ?But a 45 year-old beast makes me giddy. ?I _want_ one.

Agreed, there is nothing like hearing those piston driven warbirds, especially the big radials on B-17s and B-24s. I've only ever heard a couple 4-engine bombers flying at once. I can only imagine how awesome it sounds to hear a whole squadron taking off.   :cool:

Even though I prefer hearing recips, there are 2 jets that I like hearing. One is the A-10. Nothing else in the sky sounds like it. There is an Air National Guard fighter wing near where I live which flies A-10s. So, every couple of months I hear them fly overhead during training weekends. They also do flyovers for Memorial Day parades. It's so cool to see them drop down to 500 feet.

The other jet is the F-104. A few years ago I went to an airshow unaware that one of the featured acts was a pair of privately owned Starfighters. Seeing and hearing these two sleek, sexy beauties go screeching through the sky got my heart pounding!  :D

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Big radials just don't do it for me for some reason...not sure why.  

F104s are sleek beasts, no question, but it's all about the Mustang for me.  Well, a P51D/G/H/K Mustang and a PBY5A Catalina amphibian, as long as I'm dreaming about planes to own.

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Quote (Lion in the Stars @ 11 Jan. 2006 (18:15))
Big radials just don't do it for me for some reason...not sure why. ?

Perhaps it has something to do with the plane that the engine is in?  ??? Maybe you prefer the looks of planes with in-line engines over planes with radial engines.  :/

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:21 pm 
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No, the Corsair, and the Grumman 'cats are beautiful (and I'd fly a longtail FW190 in a heartbeat, that's the second, no, third most beautiful aircraft of WW2.  XP67 Moonbat, then D/K Mustang, then FW190), but the sound of a round engine just doesn't do it.  Maybe it's the rhythm.  A V12 (or an inline 6) has a really unique sound, and a kinda syncopated beat.  Tough to describe in writing, but you've heard it.  You actually got to see a Lanc fly?  You lucky dog!

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