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Quote (Lion in the Stars @ Oct. 05 2005,20:37) Also trying to hack my way through the entire Chronicles of Narnia, in anticipation of the movie (previews look awesome, and Weta Studios is evidently producing it, since there are a lot of LotR camera sweeps in the previews), but it's hard going. Chronicles of Narnia is another thing on my "to read" list, but I decided to hold off until I see the movie. That way I'll be less likely to be disappointed by the movie.

I read the books when I was 8, my Grandad gave them to me (he is a retired Canon in the CoE) because it was written by C.S Lewis drawing heavily from the bibles themes.

It seemed to me to be a bible story written for children in a format they would easily enjoy. C.S Lewis, claimed that it isn't a allegory but instead was mean't to remind you of the bible.

The film version seems to drop all the bible stuff and go for a more LOTR approach, which makes for a good movie but destroys the entire purpose of the book. I am not religious at all, however, I do feel saddened when the original interpretation of a book is sundered in the same of Hollywood. Although I will refrain from further comment till I see the finished product .

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I have always found the need to link the Chronicles of Narnia to the Bible just because they knew the author was religious to be sad.

Read them once in 9th grade, again a couple of times in high school, and once as a 20 something. Did not see the link, did not remind me of the bible, and can not see how it could be hurt from a LotRs treatment in the movie. It is an Epic Story and should be filmed as such.

But that is just my .02

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Having said that I didn't see a particular connection with the Bible either though the underlying morality and imagery are Christian. Personally I thought it quite humerous that weta was working on it seeing as Tolkien and CS Lewis were good friends and always gave constructive critisism  to each others work, seemed sort of fitting. However having seen the trailer some of the images are almost identical which ia a bit off-putting.

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I have always found the need to link the Chronicles of Narnia to the Bible just because they knew the author was religious to be sad. Read them once in 9th grade, again a couple of times in high school, and once as a 20 something. Did not see the link, did not remind me of the Bible, and can not see how it could be hurt from a LotRs treatment in the movie. It is an Epic Story and should be filmed as such. But that is just my .02 dafrca

Hi Dafrca and Gang,

I'm with Dafrca on this one.

I read all of the Narnia books (And most of CS Lewis's other works for children...) as a child and loved them...

And coincidentally never noticed the Christ/Aslan similarities...

It just didn't dawn on me and I grew up all around Christians and am very familiar with Christian beleif...

In fact, I used to tease some of the Catholics because they couldn't remember their "Hail Mary's" or "Our Fathers" (Prayers)...

And I think I can still rattle of those prayers by heart!

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I am a big CS Lewis fan and have read his biography, children's books and most of the rest of what he has written. I prefer his children's works because his literature can drone ON and ON....

I highly recommend hos "Terrible Sapce" trilogy!

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Unfortunately, Dafrca, C.S. Lewis discusses Narnia in several of his prvate writings and the religious aspect of Narnia was intentional. He felt that his writing was a good way to communicate Christian ideals to the world and particularly to children.

Almost all of his books have Christian themes or similarities to Christian stories.

As a teenager I found out about the Christian themes in Narnia and it almost ruined the books for me to think that I was being indoctrinated in "Christian thought." I didn't want to be "brainwashed." It bothered me for some time... many years, in fact.

Sometime in my 20s, I figured out that I reallly liked the books and I've separated the "Christianity" from the plain good fun in Narnia. They're good stories and that's what ought to come first.

Orson Scott Card, for intance, is a Mormon, but most of his books don't reflect markedly Mormon themes (Although more than a few do!). In fact, Card often uses themes that are rather universal to most human beings.

I feel that good sci-fi and fantasy most often reflect moral or ethical questions and how we can deal with the hypothetical problems of the future/past/fantasy. Good fiction doesn't always have those themes, but many of the best specimens of those genres often do.

Another factor in my "coming to terms" with the overtly Christian themes in the Narnia books is that I came to peace with Christianity as a generalized group. I used to have a big chip on my shoulder about Christians because of the trmendous amount of bad things they historically did to Jews throughout history. I separate that now. I still don't like it, but I deal with that issue separately from people I know and am friends with. It wouldn't be fair to them otherwise.

I eventually had to deal with the same issue with Muslims... and I did.

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Unfortunately, Dafrca, C.S. Lewis discusses Narnia in several of his prvate writings and the religious aspect of Narnia was intentional. He felt that his writing was a good way to communicate Christian ideals to the world and particularly to children.

Oh I did not mean to say or even imply that he did not have themes he was adding into his works, that is a fact. Rather, what I was trying to get at was that I wish people would just let the stories stand on their own and not have to always drag that into the ?review?.

I think of a few other books I have enjoyed in the past. I know what I believe and can enjoy them regardless. Isaac Asimov, L Ron Hubbard, Arthur C. Clark, Piers Anthony, and Tracy Hickman have all gotten on their ?here is how I see things? soap box but it did not become the focus of their stories and others could enjoy them as stories. Too often, it seems, they do not allow this for the Narnia books. That was all I meant. I want them to get the LotRs treatment as they are an Epic Tail and should be treated as such. Not treated as a religious text that happens to be a story.

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Found the Hammer's Slammers Hardback compedium Heresiarch mentioned on \line !  Will be getting that Dec. !  Thanks "H", for the heads up !  There is also a book entitled Hammer's Slammers Strategies & Secrets by Bernard Dy ... OOP ... but sounds interesting ! I love the web !

Your more than welcome L4.

As well... while I don't see a copy listed at the moment... you can always use Alibris to try and track down OOP books.

Alibris is basically an electronic clearing house for new and used independent booksellers. The stores list their inventory with Alibris and you can use their search engine to try and track down and mail order a book from whomever might have a copy.

http://www.alibris.com/

I've picked up some otherwise impossible to find books through them over the last couple of years.

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Thanks for that link.  There's some OOP stuff I've been looking for, myself.

Even parts of Narnia just seem to drag on for me.  I saw the Christian links, myself, but I'll admit that a large part of the world will have a hard time with a blatantly Christian movie, while a sweeping LotR-esque epic will do very well.  Kinda like the way they butchered Starship Troopers (even though the book would not have made a good movie).

I didn't realize that OS Card was Mormon, I though he was Catholic (but the only stuff of his that I've read is the Ender's storyarc).

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I'm going to my local Barnes & Noble to pre-order !  And thanks again "H", I'll check out that other site for the OOP book !  We're "Rolling Hot !"

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Hi Dafrca,

I really understand what you're saying about Narnia standing on its own merits and agree.

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