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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:39 pm 
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Quote (nealhunt @ 22 2005 July,07:00)
Tas:The SM air mobile attack is faster, more accurate and leave a "High Guard" available.


Can you elaborate on that? ?I feel like you're making a reference I'm missing. ?Is "high guard" a specific tactic?

The first time I heard the term used was to describe the fighters that flew as protection for the bombers in WWII. The person used it in such a way that made me think they were literally flying above the bombers, it made sense to me, below them would be a bad place to be when the bombs started to fall.  :laugh:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:43 pm 
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Quote (nealhunt @ 22 2005 July,07:00)
Dafrca:Too often the "Bonzai" style attack feels like desperate last ditch efforts. You know, nothing to loose anyway, so use up as many men as you want.


That's not desperation for Orks. ?It's SOP. :p

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Too true Neil, too true.  :laugh:

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Tas:Quote ?
The SM air mobile attack is faster, more accurate and leave a "High Guard" available.


Can you elaborate on that? ?I feel like you're making a reference I'm missing. ?Is "high guard" a specific tactic?


Sure neal. ?As dafrca has explained, its is the positioning of a reactive force above the enemy which can be used in support of your main effort. ?It is a generic concept which was used amongst others by 8th Air Force bomber escort forces. ?However it is a prinicpal rather than a tactic, and a principal from which certain tactics become possible

It was also a crucial concept in Blitzkrieg. ?An aerial service onc all to ground forces to soften up tough targets, strike rear areas or prvide air coverage against other fighters (known sometimes today as CAP = Combat Air Patrol, or DCA = Defensive Counter-Air).

So back to the example, what I was suggesting is that the points you have spent on the SM air assualt give you rapid insertion to anypoint on the board and then a highly mobile gun platform which can be used either in support of the landed elemenst or anyone else. ?Just its presence provides a big threat.

On theother hand the Superheavy assault, whle very nasty (and yes I do love my Superheavies! :) ) is still located on a single piece of real-estate. ?You know if anyone has cover or is out of range from him, you are safe.

EDIT: Of course in EA the true "High Guard" position is in orbit over he battlefield.  From there the enemy can just obliterate everything - you are relying on him wnating the real-estate and putting troops in to take it rather than just vaporise your troops...which wouldnt be a very fun wargame at all really...




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Yep !  CAP is kind of the modern version of the term  !  So back in my old Air Assault days in the 101, in front of the assault/lift ships (UH1H Hueys) carrying Grunts were the Cav in pink, red and white Teams. White = OH-58 Scout ships known as "Loaches" (light observation choppers), Red = AH1s Cobras known as "Gunslingers".  And OH-58s & AH-1s together = Pink.  Along with the UH1Hs were AH1s from an Attack Helo Bn.  So the SM Thunderhawk almost fills all roles, closer to a Hind-D, really !

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Think of the "1st/9th Air Cav Air Moble" attack in "Apocalypse Now".  Excellent exmple of observation helo/Attack helo/Troop Lift co-op.

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You got it, Tas ! :;):  We even had speakers mounted on one of our New UH-60 Blackhawks in Central America !  And "Flight of the Valkyries" blared over the Darien Jungle ! :laugh:

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Too kewl!

I've done that going up the Mekong River delta on a Destroyer, with the "Good Morning Vietnam" soundtrack over the Upper Deck broadcast - very LOUD! :p

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Quote (Legion 4 @ 23 2005 July,04:35)
CAP is kind of the modern version of the term ?! ?

IIRC, the term "Combat Air Patrol" was first used in WWII.

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Yes it was however,  CAP is the more commenly used term  then "High Guard" today ... in most military circles ... :;):  Just like the NATO terms "Fire and Maneuver" and "Fire and Movement" in the US Army ... :)  Close ... not the same, IIRC ...

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DCA is the most accurate modern term for the concpet.
OCA (Offensive Counter Air) is a fighter sweep over the objectve to draw off or neutralise the DCA before the strike aircraft come in.

Of course, most people still say CAP and everyone knows what they mean! :D

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Or some of us just say, oh heck with the flyers, send in the Orbital Strikes. :;):

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Yep ... most still say CAP ! :D   Like we used to say "Booby Trap" ... now they say IED ... :D

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Quote (Legion 4 @ 23 2005 July,22:10)
Yep ... most still say CAP ! :D ? Like we used to say "Booby Trap" ... now they say IED ... :D

I still like "Booby Trap" because it sounds home made. IED sounds like some STD you get while on leave.  :p

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I'd rather not have anything to do with an IED or STD ! :o

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Leave the IED on the FLR, send the CEV forward to deal with it, while I move from the MLR, to "Brass Hat" territory to get an STD ?:oo

The questions is what this has to do with CAP, DCA, OCA, GAM, SNAFU, and WWATCF, and the growing power of aircraft in EPic-A?

Just curious :D

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