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Author: | Mard [ Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Lists for Castle Assault 2015 |
Hi Guys Thought I'd share the army lists that are attending Castle Assault 2015 in two weeks. This year is the second time Newcastle has run Castle Assault for epic, almost doubling it's attendance numbers from the previous year. The comp also allows experimental and developmental lists, and this year will even have a "composition score" to balance lists out. (Let's face it, not all "Approved lists" are equal, not by a long shot) Share your thoughts and comments, and even tactics on how you would tackle these lists as a Marine player. PLAYER 1 Scions of Iron (NetEA Tournament Pack) http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/ TACTICAL [300] 4 Tactical units plus transport, 2 Predator Annihilator TACTICAL [300] 4 Tactical units plus transport, 2 Predator Annihilator TACTICAL [300] 4 Tactical units plus transport, 2 Predator Annihilator HEAVY TACTICAL [325] 4 Tactical units, 2 Land Raider HEAVY TACTICAL [325] 4 Tactical units, 2 Land Raider WHIRLWIND [300] 4 Whirlwinds WHIRLWIND [300] 4 Whirlwinds FIGHTER SQUADRON [150] 2 Thunderbolt Fighters FIGHTER SQUADRON [150] 2 Thunderbolt Fighters WARHOUND [275] 1 Warhound Class Titan WARHOUND [275] 1 Warhound Class Titan Player 2 Codex Astartes (NetEA Tournament Pack) http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/ TACTICAL [450] 6 Tacticals, Supreme Commander, Hunter, Rhinos TERMINATOR [400] 4 Terminators, Captain TERMINATOR [350] 4 Terminators SCOUT [150] 4 Scouts, Rhinos LAND SPEEDER [200] 5 Landspeeder PREDATOR [325] 4 Annihilator, Hunter THUNDERHAWK [200] THUNDERBOLT SQUADRON [175] 2 Thunderbolt Fighters THUNDERHAWK [200] WARHOUND [275] 1 Warhound Class Titan WARHOUND [275] 1 Warhound Class Titan Player 3 Codex Astartes (NetEA Tournament Pack) http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/ Tactical Detachment 500 Supreme Commander, 6xTactical, Hunter, 2x Razorback, 2x Rhino Terminator Detachment 400 Chaplain, 4x Terminator Scout Detachment 175 4xScout, Razorback, 2x Rhino Land Speeder Detachment 200 2xLand Speeder, 3x Land Speeder Tornado Land Raider Detachment 400 4xLand Raider, Hunter Land Raider Detachment 400 4xLand Raider, Hunter Thunderhawk 200 Warhound Titan 275 Warhound Titan 275 Thunderbolt Squadron 175 Player 4 Dark Angels Hunt for the Fallen 3.1.1 vie...=73&t=28198 Ravenwing 350 4x Bikes 4x Land Speeders Deathwing 400 2x Terminators 2x Assault Terminators Chaplain Deathwing 400 2x Terminators 2x Assault Terminators Chaplain Deathwing 400 2x Terminators 2x Assault Terminators Captain Thunderhawk 200 Devestator 250 4x Devestator Plasma Assault Marines 225 4 Assault Marines Chaplain Tactical 525 6 stands Hunter x 2 Supreme Commander Air support 250 2x Nephalim Fighters Player 5 Space Wolves V2.4.2 vie...=73&t=27676 1. Great Company - 600 + Wolf Lord + Grey Hunters + Land Raider + Razorback (Lascannon) + Hunter 2. Wolf Guard Terminators - 375 + Wolf Priest 3. Swiftclaw Bikes - 250 + 2 x Attack Bikes + Wolf Priest 4. Land Speeders - 200 5. Land Speeders - 200 6. Land Raiders - 325 7. Thunderhawk Gunship - 225 8. Reaver Titan - 650 - BTS 9. Thunderbolt Fighters - 175 Player 6 Steel Legion (NetEA Tournament Pack) http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/ Regimental HQ 550 Imperial Guard Supreme Commander 12xImperial Guard Infantry 7xChimera Hydra Super Heavy Tank Company 550 3xBaneblade Hydra Super Heavy Tank Company 600 3xShadowsword Ogryns Hydra Rough Rider Platoon 150 6xRough Riders Rough Rider Platoon 150 6xRough Riders Sentinel Squadron 100 4xSentinel Super Heavy Tank Platoon 200 Shadowsword Warhound Titan 275 Warhound Titan Warhound Titan 275 Warhound Titan Thunderbolt Squadron 150 2xThunderbolt Fighter-Bomber Player 7 Minervan Tank Legion (NetEA Tournament Pack) http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/ Super Heavy Tank Company Armoured Regiment 550 Commissar; 3xShadowsword; Hydra Tank Company 595 Armoured Regiment Commissar; 8xLeman Russ Exterminator; 2xLeman Russ Executioner; Hydra Tank Company 695 Armoured Regiment Commissar; 8xLeman Russ Exterminator; 2xLeman Russ Executioner; Hydra; Armoured Regiment Supreme Commander Deathstrike Missile Battery 2xDeathstrike Missile 200 Launcher Flak Battery 150 3xHydra Salamander Scout Platoon Armoured Regiment 125 Commissar; 3xSalamander Scout; Salamander Command Vehicle Salamander Scout Platoon Armoured Regiment 125 Commissar; 3xSalamander Scout; Salamander Command Vehicle Self Propelled Artillery Battery 3xManticore Thunderbolt Squadron 2xThunderbolt Fighter 150 Bomber Thunderbolt Squadron 2xThunderbolt Fighter 150 Bomber Player 8 Minervan Tank Legion (NetEA Tournament Pack) http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/ Super Heavy Tank Company 550 3xShadowsword Armoured Regiment Commissar Hydra Super Heavy Tank Company 550 Hydra Armoured Regiment Commissar Stormblade 2xBaneblade Tank Company 800 Hydra 9xLeman Russ Armoured Regiment Supreme Commander Armoured Regiment Commissar Leman Russ Vanquisher Tank Company 700 Hydra Leman Russ Vanquisher 9xLeman Russ Armoured Regiment Commissar Salamander Scout Platoon 125 3xSalamander Scout Salamander Command Vehicle Salamander Scout Platoon 125 3xSalamander Scout Salamander Command Vehicle Thunderbolt Squadron 150 2xThunderbolt Fighter-Bomber Player 9 Knight World V2.2.1 vie...=22&t=29048 Knight Household (680) 5 x Knight Errant 1 x Barron Knight Household (415) 3 x Knight Paladin 1 x Knight Paladin Seneschal Knight Household (415) 3 x Knight Paladin 1 x Knight Paladin Seneschal Custodian Household (515) 3 x Knight Castellan 1 x Knight Castellan Seneschal Custodian Household (515) 3 x Knight Castellan 1 x Knight Castellan Seneschal Warden Household (300) 2 x Warden - AA Missile Launchers 1 x Warden Seneschal - AA Missile Launchers Thunderbolt Squadron (150) 2 x Thunderbolt Fighters Total (2990) Player 10 Emperor's Children V4.0 vie...=82&t=25996 DAEMON POOL [90] 6 Lesser Daemon RETINUE [390] 6 Chaos Marine units, 4 Rhino, Daemonic Pact, 2 Chaos Marine, Chaos Warlord (Supreme Commander) RETINUE [255] 6 Chaos Marine units, Chaos Lord, 3 Rhino CHOSEN [145] 4 Chaos Space Marine Chosen, 2 Rhino EMPEROR'S CHILDREN TERMINATORS [360] Chaos Lord, 5 Terminator, Daemonic Pact ARMOURED COMPANY [250] 2 Emperors Children Predator, 2 Emperors Children Land Raider KNIGHT PACK [300] 4 Hell-Scourge HELLBLADE SQUADRON [200] 3 Hellblade Interceptors HELLTALON SQUADRON [225] 2 Helltalon Fighter Bombers RETINUE [330] 6 Chaos Marine units, Replace 4 chaos marine units with 4 Noise Marine units, 6 Dreadclaws, Sorcerer Lord, Daemonic Pact DEVASTATION CLASS CRUISER [150] RETINUE [305] 6 Chaos Marine units, 6 Dreadclaws, Replace 4 chaos marine units with 4 Havok units, Sorcerer Lord Player 11 World Eaters V 3.8 vie...=82&t=28360 Terminator Retinue #1 ........ 500 pts ........ BTS 4 x Terminators ........ 350 1 x Blood Lord character upgrade ........ 50 Daemonic Pact upgrade ........ 25 1 x Keeper of Chains upgrade ........ 25 1 x Keeper of Skulls upgrade ........ 50 Terminator Retinue #2 ........ 475 pts 4 x Terminators ........ 350 1 x Daemon Prince character upgrade ........ 50 Daemonic Pact upgrade ........ 25 1 x Keeper of Skulls upgrade ........ 50 Terminator Retinue #3 ........ 425 pts 4 x Terminators ........ 350 Daemonic Pact upgrade ........ 25 1 x Keeper of Skulls upgrade ........ 50 Terminator Retinue #4 ........ 425 pts 4 x Terminators ........ 350 Daemonic Pact upgrade ........ 25 1 x Keeper of Skulls upgrade ........ 50 Berserker Retinue #1 ........ 365 pts 4 x Legionnaires ........ 300 4 x Berserkers Daemonic Pact upgrade ........ 25 Dreadclaws upgrade ........ 40 Berserker Retinue #2 ........ 365 pts 4 x Legionnaires ........ 300 4 x Berserkers Daemonic Pact upgrade ........ 25 Dreadclaws upgrade ........ 40 Spacecraft ........ 150 pts 1 x Devastation Cruiser ........ 150 Daemon Pool ........ 295 pts 2 x Greater Daemon ........ 100 13 x Bloodletters ........ 195 Player 12 Black Legion (NetEA Tournament Pack) http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/ Retinue (12) 560 (BTS) 8x Chaos Marines/ Lord 4x Havocs Chaos Champion plus Pact Dreadclaws Retinue (8) 440 8x Chaos Marines/ Lord Warlord Chaos Champion plus Pact Dreadclaws Armoured Company (4) 300 4x Landraiders Terminators (4) 350 4x Termies Chaos Champion plus Pact Bike Company (8) 325 8x Bikers/ Lord plus Pact Havocs/ rhinos (6) 250 4x Havocs/ Lord 2x Rhinos plus Pact Havocs/ rhinos (6) 250 4x Havocs/ Lord 2x Rhinos plus Pact Devastation (1) 150 1x Devastation Hell Blades (3) 200 3x Hell Blades fighters Daemons 175 2x Greater Deamon 5x Lesser Daemons 6x Pact Lesser Daemons (1 free per Pact) Player 13 Black Legion (NetEA Tournament Pack) http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/ RETINUE [365] 8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), 4 Rhino, Chaos Warlord (Supreme Commander) RETINUE [315] 8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, 4 Rhino RETINUE [425] 8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, 2 Obliterator ARMOURED COMPANY [600] (Chaos Undivided), 8 Chaos Land Raider ARMOURED COMPANY [270] (Chaos Undivided), 4 Chaos Predator, 2 Chaos Vindicator HELL BLADES [200] 3 Hell Blade Fighters, (Chaos Undivided) CHAOS TERMINATORS [470] (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, 6 Chaos Terminator, Obliterator CHOSEN [125] 4 Chaos Space Marine Scouts, (Chaos Undivided) DECIMATORS [225] (Chaos Undivided), Decimator Player 14 Squats Thurgrimm Stronghold V1.5 vie...134&t=26499 BTS: Warrior Brotherhood Formation 9 Warrior units and one Heathguard -300 + 4 Thunderer units - 150 + 1 Grand Warlord - 125 Rhinos - Free Total 575 Bezerker Brotherhood 5 Bezerkers and one Hearthguard - 175 Termite Tunnellers - Free 6 Thudd Guns - 225 6 Mole Mortars - 175 4 x Iron Hawk Gyrocopter + 1 upgrade to Iron Hawk Scout - 225 4 x Iron Hawk Gyrocopter +1 upgrade to Iron Hawk Scout -225 2 x Overlords - 475 2 x Thunderfire AA - 100 2 x Goliath Mega Cannons - 300 Land Train - 200 + Bomb Battle car -125 + 3 x Bezerker Battle Car - 150 + Living Ancestor - 50 Total - 525 Player 15 Iyanden Craftworld V4.2.4 vie...=24&t=29032 SPIRIT WRAITHGUARD WARHOST [575] 4x Wraithguard units, Wraithseer, 4 Wave Serpent SPIRIT WRAITHGUARD WARHOST [275] 4x Wraithguard units, Spiritseer SPIRIT WRAITHBLADE WARHOST [225] 4x Wraithblade units, Spiritseer SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE [300] 4 Falcons, 2 Fire Storm WINDRIDER TROUPE [200] 5 Jetbike, Vyper WINDRIDER TROUPE [200] 5 Jetbike, Vyper RANGER TROUPE [125] 5 Ranger SPACECRAFT [150] Wraithship VAMPIRE RAIDER [200] VAMPIRE RAIDER [200] AVATAR [0] SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE [375] 5 Fire Prism, Fire Storm NIGHT SPINNER TROUPE [175] 3x Night Spinner units Player 16 Biel-Tan Craftworld v4.2 http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/ VAMPIRE RAIDER [200] ASPECT WARRIOR WARHOST [400] 4 Fire Dragon, Exarch, Autarch, 4 Striking Scorpion SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE [310] 4 Fire Prism, Fire Storm PHANTOM TITAN [750] SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE [265] 3 Falcon, Fire Storm, Fire Prism AVATAR [0] GUARDIAN WARHOST [150] Farseer, 7 Guardians ENGINE OF VAUL TROUPE [250] Scorpion VOID SPINNER [275] Void Spinner RANGER TROUPE [100] 4 Ranger RANGER TROUPE [100] 4 Ranger WINDRIDER TROUPE [200] 5 Jetbikes, Vyper Player 17 FIR IOLARION ELDAR TITAN CLAN (2.2.1) vie...=24&t=21569 REVENANT TITAN HOST [375] Revenant Titan is armed with 2 Revenant Pulse Lasers, Titan Exarch REVENANT TITAN HOST [325] Revenant Titan is armed with 2 Revenant Pulse Lasers REVENANT TITAN HOST [325] Revenant Titan is armed with 2 Revenant Pulse Lasers REVENANT TITAN HOST [325] Revenant Titan is armed with 2 Revenant Pulse Lasers REVENANT TITAN HOST [325] Revenant Titan is armed with 2 Revenant Pulse Lasers REVENANT TITAN HOST [325] Revenant Titan is armed with 2 Revenant Pulse Lasers GUARDIAN TROUPE [200] 5 Guardian Units, 5 D-Cannon Platform RANGER TROUPE [175] 7 Ranger RANGER TROUPE [175] 7 Ranger NIGHTWING [300] 3 Nightwing Interceptors WRAITHSHIP [150] Player 18 Dark Eldar (EpicUK V.10042013) http://epic-uk.co.uk/wp/army-lists/ KABAL COTERIE [425] 4 Incubi, 1 Archon character, 2 Incubi, Raider, Barge PORTABLE WEBWAY PORTAL [50] WEBWAY PORTAL [50] KABAL SYNDICATE [275] 6 Warriors, 2 Raider, 2 Venoms, Dracon KABAL FLOTILLA [275] Ravager KABAL FLOTILLA [275] Ravager REAVERS [250] 6 Reavers, Succubus REAVERS [250] 6 Reavers, Succubus HEAVY BARGE [250] 1 Vessel of Pain HEAVY BARGE [250] 1 Vessel of Pain RAZORWING FIGHTERS [200] 2 Razorwings RAZORWING FIGHTERS [200] 2 Razorwings KABAL SYNDICATE [250] 6 Warriors, 3 Raider, Dracon Player 19 Kabal of Pain's Way (NetEA Tournament Pack) http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/ KABAL COTERIE [300] 4 Incubi, 2 Raider, Archon KABAL SYNDICATE [275] 6 Warriors, 3 Raider, Ravager, Sybarite KABAL SYNDICATE [275] 6 Warriors, 3 Raider, Ravager, Sybarite KABAL FLOTILLA [250] 4 Ravagers WYCH CULT [325] 4 Raider, 8 Wyches, Sybarite TALOS SWARM [250] 5 Talos REAVER GANG [200] 6 Reavers SCOURGE FLIGHT [225] 6 Scourges SCOURGE FLIGHT [225] 6 Scourges HEAVY BARGES [250] Vessel of Pain WEBWAY PORTAL [50] BOMBER FORMATION [375] 3 Razorwing Bomber Player 20 Ghazghkull Mag Urk Traka's Ork War Horde (NetEA Tournament Pack) http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/ (BTS)Uge Blitz Brigade- 13 Gunwagons(385) Oddboy(50) Flakwagon(35)-470 Uge Blitz Brigade- 12 Gunwagons(350) Oddboy(50) Flakwagon(35)-435 Uge Blitz Brigade- 12 Gunwagons(350) Oddboy(50) Flakwagon(35)-435 Big Blitz Brigade- 8 Gunwagons-250 Big Blitz Brigade- 8 Gunwagons-250 Kult of Speed- 8 Warbikes-200 Kult of Speed- 8 Warbikes-200 Kult of Speed- 8 Warbikes-200 Warband- 2 Nobz,6 Boyz,2 Grotz(200) Warlord(free) Oddboy(50) Big Gun(25)-275 Warband- 2 Nobz,6 Boyz,2 Grotz(200) Oddboy(50) Big Gun(25)-275 * All Oddboys have Suppa Zzap guns. 2990pts Player 21 Tyranids (Epic UK V.110929) http://epic-uk.co.uk/wp/army-lists/ BIG ASSAULT SWARM [350] 4 Tyranid Warrior, 10 Termagant, 6 Hormaguant BIG ASSAULT SWARM [350] 4 Tyranid Warrior, 10 Termagant, 6 Hormaguant NORMAL ASSAULT SWARM [200] 2 Tyranid Warrior, 4 Termagant, 4 Hormaguant NORMAL ASSAULT SWARM [200] 2 Tyranid Warrior, 4 Termagant, 4 Hormaguant NORMAL ASSAULT SWARM [200] 2 Tyranid Warrior, 4 Termagant, 4 Hormaguant NEST SWARM [410] 4 Termagant, Zoanthrope, 4 Dactylis GENESTEALER SWARM [150] 6 Genestealer GENESTEALER SWARM [150] 6 Genestealer HARASSMENT SWARM [225] 1 Harridan and 0-4 Gargoyles HARASSMENT SWARM [225] 1 Harridan and 0-4 Gargoyles LICTOR SWARM [200] 4 Lictor SUBTERRANEAN SWARM [340] 1 Trygon and 2 Raveners, 3 Ravener Player 22 Tau Vior’la Tau V1.4 vie...=23&t=24822 Vior'la tau fire warrior cadre - 6 fire warriors, devilfish, cadre fireblade, 2 path finders, 1 devilfish, 1 skyray - 450 points Crisis battlesuit cadre - 4 suits plus a shaso, 2 gun drones, cadre fireblade - 375 points Armour group- 6x railhead, 1 skyray - 425 points XV104 Riptide Formation - Shas'el plus 3 riptides, 2 shield missile drones - 375 points XV104 Riptide Formation - Shas'el plus 3 riptides, 2 shield missile drones - 375 points Recon Group - 3 tetra, 2 piranha - 150 points Recon Group - 3 tetra, 2 piranha - 150 points Barracuda squadron - 150 points Sun Shark Bomber - 200 points Orca Assault Dropship - 150 points Protector class ll Battleship - 200 points Player 23 Scarab Conflict Necron (NetEA Tournament Pack) http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/ C`TAN [300] Deceiver INFANTRY PHALANX [365] Necron Lord, 6 Warriors, 2 Immortals, Pariahs PYLON [200] PYLON [200] INFANTRY PHALANX [325] Necron Lord, 6 Warriors, Immortals, Pariahs INFANTRY PHALANX [325] Necron Lord, 6 Warriors, Pariahs, Immortals MONOLITH PHALANX [325] 3 Monoliths, Obelisk MONOLITH PHALANX [325] 3 Monoliths, Obelisk MONOLITH PHALANX [325] 3 Monoliths, Obelisk ARMORED PHALANX [300] 6 Obelisks Player 24 Scarab Conflict Necron (NetEA Tournament Pack) http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/ C'tan 300 C'Tan The Deceiver Warrior Phalanx 455 Necron Lord 6xNecron Warriors Pariahs 3xImmortals Tomb Spyder Warrior Phalanx 335 Necron Lord 6xNecron Warriors Pariahs Tomb Spyder Warrior Phalanx 335 Necron Lord 6xNecron Warriors Pariahs Tomb Spyder Eques Maniple 350 6xDestroyers Monolith Phalanx 275 3xMonolith Monolith Phalanx 275 3xMonolith Monolith Phalanx 275 3xMonolith Pylon 200 Pylon Pylon 200 Pylon LATE EDITION PLAYER WILL TAKE A COMP HIT Player 25 Necrons / Scarab Conflict Necron 2995 C'tan 300 C'Tan The Nightbringer Tomb Complex 75 Tomb Complex Warrior Phalanx 445 Necron Lord 6xNecron Warriors 3xImmortals 2xTomb Spyder Warrior Phalanx 225 Necron Lord 6xNecron Warriors Warrior Phalanx 225 Necron Lord 6xNecron Warriors Warrior Phalanx 225 Necron Lord 6xNecron Warriors Eques Maniple 350 6xHeavy Destroyers Monolith Phalanx 375 3xMonolith 2xObelisk Monolith Phalanx 375 3xMonolith 2xObelisk Pylon 200 Pylon Pylon 200 Pylon |
Author: | atension [ Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Lists for Castle Assault 2015 |
wow its going to be quite the battle, my bet is that the knight world and Eldar titan lists are going to give you the most trouble. Particularly the elder titan list, that is A LOT of Reverants!!! Necrons can be a pain in the #@$ too but it depends on how much experience you have had facing them. I'd be very interested to see the results of this one. The steel Legion has a ton of super heavies that will be tough too. |
Author: | JimXII [ Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Lists for Castle Assault 2015 |
Wow! 24 players! That must be the largest epic tourney in the world! That nid list looks like a real killer! Id pay to see that list play! |
Author: | Matt-Shadowlord [ Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Lists for Castle Assault 2015 |
Quote: Share your thoughts and comments, and even tactics on how you would tackle these lists as a Marine player. I'd kill them all, Mard. Let the Emperor sort them out on the other side. Codex Astartes 101. |
Author: | carlos [ Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Lists for Castle Assault 2015 |
atension wrote: Particularly the elder titan list, that is A LOT of Reverants!!! I have reservations about that list being balanced for competition... |
Author: | Stormwind [ Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Lists for Castle Assault 2015 |
That Titan List has "I have no friends left" written on it. =-P |
Author: | atension [ Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Lists for Castle Assault 2015 |
carlos wrote: atension wrote: Particularly the elder titan list, that is A LOT of Reverants!!! I have reservations about that list being balanced for competition... Yeah I can see that being a concern as the Fir Iolarion Eldar Titan Clan List 2.2 hasn't been updated since 2011. Not sure that its gotten the most attention it seems quite experimental still. Am surprised it was approved for the tournament. Should be interesting none the less! I'm guessing they are allowing lists only published in the compendium (experimental, developmental, approved) you couldn't just generate an experimental list and use that. |
Author: | Apocolocyntosis [ Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Lists for Castle Assault 2015 |
were players told all the details of the 'composition score' in advance? I'd be interested to know how people took that in to account (or not: revs) when building lists and to see what the scores are. best of luck with the event! |
Author: | jimmyzimms [ Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Lists for Castle Assault 2015 |
atension wrote: carlos wrote: atension wrote: Particularly the elder titan list, that is A LOT of Reverants!!! I have reservations about that list being balanced for competition... Yeah I can see that being a concern as the Fir Iolarion Eldar Titan Clan List 2.2 hasn't been updated since 2011. Not sure that its gotten the most attention it seems quite experimental still. Am surprised it was approved for the tournament. Should be interesting none the less! I'm guessing they are allowing lists only published in the compendium (experimental, developmental, approved) you couldn't just generate an experimental list and use that. considering how out of date the compendium is versus the tournament pack I find that unlikely. Probably just any old NetEA list it appears... PS Yeah that titan clan list is "I don't like having friends" all the way ![]() |
Author: | Mic Fair [ Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Lists for Castle Assault 2015 |
Thanks for the thread, Mard! I love your work! With this years Castle Assault I wanted to try something a bit different to open up the range of lists available to play. For this tournament a comp system would I introduced and trial a composition system to help balance OP lists or give a hand to those guys who always manage fluffier lists over competitive. This is the spiel I put in the local forum about it for players. Quote The comp system is something we have discussed in length here in Newcastle. What we found that despite the approval rating system with you still see some list that are much more competitive and harder to deal with than some armies. There are formations in the game that are naturally better than others while being worth similar points, space marine predator annihilators vs space marine predator destructors would be one example. The other reason for the comp score is that we wanted to allow a bigger range of lists to play in the event. So this means "some" experimental and most developmental will be allowed. Note if you wanted to run an experimental list please ask me first if it is not already listed. Some experimental list like squat may attract a lower comp score as the list is considered to be a little over powered in certain areas. Some examples of list from Cancon 2015 and scores comp scores they may have attracted at Castle Assault. Here is my list from Cancon, it was a pretty powerful list and may have attracted a comp score of about 3-4. Since this time the the rules for phantoms, void spinners and scorpions have been adjusted making them less powerful. This list at the time had approval status. Biel Tan V4.1 ASPECT WARRIOR WARHOST [400] 8 Shining Spear, Autarch, Exarch ASPECT WARRIOR WARHOST [325] 8 Shining Spear, Exarch GUARDIAN WARHOST [150] Farseer, 6 Guardians, Heavy Weapon Platform RANGER TROUPE [100] 4 Ranger RANGER TROUPE [100] 4 Ranger SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE [250] 3 Falcon, 2 Fire Storm SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE [250] 3 Falcon, 2 Fire Storm NIGHT SPINNER TROUPE [175] 3 Night Spinners ENGINE OF VAUL TROUPE [250] Scorpion ENGINE OF VAUL TROUPE [250] Void Spinner AVATAR [0] PHANTOM TITAN [750] Another list from Cancon was the Death Korps of Krieg. This list was very powerful and really had very little in the way of weakness's. It sported 11 DC 3 warengines, 60 plus infantry stands an more toys than you could poke a stick at. This is the most competitive list I have seen (without spamming) and would attract a comp score of about 2. Again the DKOK are a list with the approved status however I know Matt Shadowlord has headed up the Sub-AC position and is setting about the task to tone back certain elements in the list. DKOK 1. Regimental HQ 525 Death Korps Supreme Commander, 19 Death Korps Infantry units, Gorgon Siege Transporters (2 Gorgons) 2. Infantry Coy 425 Death Korps Commander, 19 Death Korps Infantry units, Gorgon Siege Transporters (2 Gorgons) 3. Heavy Support Battery 125 3 Hydra or Heavy Anti-Aircraft Platform, 3 Trojans 4. Deathstrike Silo 250 Death Korps Deathstrike Missile Silo 5. Warhound Titan 275 6. Thunderbolt Sqn 150 7. Super Heavy Tank Pl 200 Shadowsword 8. Super Heavy Tank Pl 200 Shadowsword 9. Warhound Titan 275 10. Death Rider Pl 150 6 Death Korps Rough Rider units (with 'scout' ability) 11. Infantry Coy 425 Death Korps Commander, 19 Death Korps Infantry units, Gorgon Siege Transporters (2 Gorgons) The final example I used from Cancon was a space marine list that I felt would score around a 8-9 for comp. This list didn't have any terminators, thunderhawks or even a supreme commander which are consistent to more competitive lists. It's also took a mix of upgrades including softer choices such as librarians and vindicators when arguably harder choices are available. Codex Astartes 1. Tactical Det 325 Captain 3 x Rhinos 2. Tactical Det 325 Librarian 3 x Rhinos 3. Assault Det 175 4. Devastator Det 350 4 x Razorback 5. Predator Det 350 2 x Vindicator 6. Predator Det 325 Hunter 7. Whirlwind Det 375 Hunter 8. Land Speeder Det 200 9. Scout Det 250 4 x Razorback 10. Land Raider Det 325 Look at the end of the day the introduction of a composition score for epic is new and there will be people that agree and disagree with what is a hard and soft list. So that's why a panel (non playing) will individually score and a average will be supplied. Hopefully this system will help level the playing field a whilst allowing players to also run list that haven't been developed through to approval. I hope that's helps and provides bit of a guide. Cheers Mic End quote This may work or it may not but nothing ventured nothing gained... Cheers Mic |
Author: | jimmyzimms [ Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Lists for Castle Assault 2015 |
I applaud the addition of another vector in scoring for the tournament. Ideas like this are fantastic. |
Author: | Steve54 [ Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Lists for Castle Assault 2015 |
JimXII wrote: Wow! 24 players! That must be the largest epic tourney in the world! That nid list looks like a real killer! Id pay to see that list play! 24 is a great turnout for a 'dead' game , I think EUK have only beaten that once with 26 for FSA 2012 |
Author: | Apocolocyntosis [ Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Lists for Castle Assault 2015 |
Thanks for the info Mic, very interesting. |
Author: | Mard [ Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Lists for Castle Assault 2015 |
Steve54 wrote: JimXII wrote: Wow! 24 players! That must be the largest epic tourney in the world! That nid list looks like a real killer! Id pay to see that list play! 24 is a great turnout for a 'dead' game , I think EUK have only beaten that once with 26 for FSA 2012 The Australian scene is only getting bigger and bigger every year, with Sydney looking at hosting a tourney to add another comp on the east coast and to grow the player base even more. |
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