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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:15 am 
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I lost that battle due to terminators teleporting when they did. If we re-did the battle, I think I could pull it off.

Just a short clip and support to help break those mega formations should do the trick. I won't need that many activations :)

That is the good thing about all these games, we get to playtest and strengthen the game plan.

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 Point Black Legion List
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 am 
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fattdex wrote:
You can fit some nasty in there with no daemons!

Lists I am trialing:


Mr fattdex

When are we seeing you for some games? You make the nasty list yet you do not roll the nasty dice? :)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:13 am 
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Haha, well sir I have only just finished assembling my models :P
Played a game last night vs blood angels, I probably could have won the game if I remembered to use my daemons! The inspiring on most of his units (coupled with forgetting to use my daemons) ended up helping him to win most combats.
I'll bring em down next time you have some games on, is that next week?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:46 am 
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fattdex wrote:
Haha, well sir I have only just finished assembling my models :P
Played a game last night vs blood angels, I probably could have won the game if I remembered to use my daemons! The inspiring on most of his units (coupled with forgetting to use my daemons) ended up helping him to win most combats.


Inspiring on his most his formations don't you mean?

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I'll bring em down next time you have some games on, is that next week?


We are definately on for next week. Just let me know when you are certain because I have 3 tables and it appears that with current interest, I need to start booking them out! :D

I will make allowances for newer people to have tables however to encourage different players :)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:02 am 
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Yep the BA list that was used is a quite old one, but that is the one that is in the marine 1.1 compendium.

Overall I am disturbed that chaos is so cheap. if you get to roll for random daemons, then you need to make stuff more expensive. not by much as there is no marine rules.

the fact that you can plant down sooo many large formations that have on average one better stat than a marine and you are cheaper is a bit of a cop out. JB lost cause I caused blast markers, they alone won the game. and it was the 2 devastator units that did that, and the Stormravens (thank god they have been toned down). The only thing I feel you can do, is make the Chaos Termies 25 points more expensive. While you get no marine rule, adding a GD in to a cc with a titan is going to make that combat very short.

I am unsure about rest of the chaos marines, as once I felt them once, I stayed right away.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:55 am 
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Don't underestimate ATSKNF and SR5 as well as Inspiring characters.

I see people all the time have an issue with Chaos forces, yet none of those that do ever take the force. If they were so powerful and underpriced (the latest version), you should have no problem winning all games - playtests have shown different.

People playing Marines really underestimate how powerful ATSKNF + SR5 + Inspiring characters really is.

Also note, that the BL strategy rule also could see the loss of daemons. The fact it is an equal chance of both, it is a wash.

I may not be right - I am yet to be proved otherwise however. Let's see this BL force that has more than what it should...

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:37 am 
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Now this thread was not designed to tell me how broken the BL list is. I am sure other threads can be made for this without de-railing this one for no reason.

Hoping to play the list again soon to test out some more tactics ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:31 am 
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Acctaully I only think at this point Termies need to be change cause they get the 2D6 roll for Daemons, and are 50 points less than standard marines. I do not underestimate the power of being a marine, but with 2D6 worth of summoning ability they get a little powerful. Now note that I am not saying that we need to change it by much, breaking after 4 hits after all sucks.. if it were 1D6 I say leave them. 2D6 I think they are worth only a touch more.

I thought the rest of the army may over power me, the only thing that did was the Air, but may fault for wasting AA, not hitting at all, and placing them in bad pos. Over all I dont think the Chaos air is badly pointed, infact it is at a very sweet point.

normal stuff seemed fine. Just have a problem with termies, that is my only concern. toe to toe they will if they get to charge beat normal marine termies cause of deamon summoning, if they get charged, well that is another story I feel.


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For BL the SR4 makes a huge difference as it makes the teleport so much more risky

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:30 pm 
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thefloppy1 wrote:
Acctaully I only think at this point Termies need to be change cause they get the 2D6 roll for Daemons,


This is incorrect. They have to buy a Daemonic Pact for 25 points to gain 2D3 Daemons. Where do you get the 2D6?

If it is with buying a 50 point hero, is there an issue after spending 75 points for the ability and 20 points per Daemon after that?

Are you playing by the correct rules?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:44 pm 
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Just going on what I was told.


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Probably best to read a list and find out facts before going onto public forums to raise concerns...

The way it is being sold to you appears to be full of half truths or misunderstandings.

You probably played Daemons incorrectly as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:58 pm 
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thefloppy1 wrote:
Overall I am disturbed that chaos is so cheap. if you get to roll for random daemons, then you need to make stuff more expensive. not by much as there is no marine rules.


For any BL formation to be capable of summoning Daemons they have to pay 25 points for a Daemonic Pact (per formation that wants to be able to summon) and 20 points per lesser Daemon in the Daemon pool (cannot summon anything unless you buy the Daemons for the pool).
To summon Greater Daemons becomes even more expensive (50 points for the Champion character and 75 points for the Greater Daemon to go into the pool).
So as you have suggested ( to make the formation slightly more expensive if you get to summon Daemons) it is already covered in the rules.
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the fact that you can plant down sooo many large formations that have on average one better stat than a marine and you are cheaper is a bit of a cop out. JB lost cause I caused blast markers, they alone won the game. and it was the 2 devastator units that did that, and the Stormravens (thank god they have been toned down). The only thing I feel you can do, is make the Chaos Termies 25 points more expensive. While you get no marine rule, adding a GD in to a cc with a titan is going to make that combat very short.


As has been stated above, to be capable of summoning Daemons, the cost of a Daemonic Pact (25 points by the way) does make the formation slightly more expensive and even more expensive if you want to be able to summon a Greater Daemon.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:35 pm 
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Yep I have now read the list....

Moral of this story you can't trust anybody these days...

Think it was played a little wrong.. The Initate 2+ and SR4 make a hudge difference..
dont think I will ever trust anybody agian..

For now my concerns are taken care of.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:27 pm 
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Mephiston wrote:
Normally you can't, but this is the exception that proves the rule!


Looking at the EpicUK list it does state

Replace the unit in the formation that includes a Chaos Space Marine Lord or Chaos Space Marine
Warlord character with a Daemon Prince unit. If a Warlord Character is replaced the Daemon Prince
gains the Supreme Commander ability


So no invulnerable save on the demon prince etc.


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