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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:54 pm 
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kyussinchains wrote:
Why not bring an Irish team over?


The UK entering multiple teams is because we have loads of people wanting to participate and refusing them would turn people off in future.... I'd assume going forward that any host nation would probably be able to enter multiple teams as it's not as much of a cost issue like flights and hotels and transport....



great idea, but finding 4 players for a game full stop is the bigger issue here rather than finding 4 competitive players... would love to have englands problem of too many players. ;)

i am not saying refuse anyone its just being creative about entries for surplus players and give a more level playing field for other countries so they dont potentially have to play multiple team uks and have one country dominate through numbers, the odds are stacked against non uk teams. - still keeping in mind the small size of the epic community/promoting the game etc etc.

its more of a name change than anything else but it would generate goodwill with other countries?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:29 pm 
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I'd see your point if we had teams clamouring to take part, currently it looks like we'll have the Germans, Swedes and possibly an Austro-Hungarian conglomorate ;), better to have more teams taking part and rather than out-and-out lying (none of us are from scotland or wales) I think having a team North and South works pretty well....

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:37 pm 
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We're very close to team Norway. If we had one substitute player and a backup captain we would have signed up now, as it is I can't sign up until I know that I won't have an exam the Monday after.

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I'll hold a slot for Norway, any teams looking for a 4th player should PM me

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 Post subject: Re: UK participation in the Euros
PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:29 pm 
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kyussinchains wrote:
Why not bring an Irish team over?


The UK entering multiple teams is because we have loads of people wanting to participate and refusing them would turn people off in future.... I'd assume going forward that any host nation would probably be able to enter multiple teams as it's not as much of a cost issue like flights and hotels and transport....


I agree with kyussinchains. The most important thing is promoting Epic outside the epic uk tournament scene. An inclusive approach, with lots of players and armies battling it out is better than a "fair" approach of one team/nation. Established olympic sports do the same when the number of countries involved are few (e.g. cross-country skiing where Norway typically enters 3-4 relay teams). I am already looking forward to the tournament.

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 Post subject: Re: UK participation in the Euros
PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:04 pm 
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Ideally it would be an event for just national teams, but since this year we had 3 nations and next year I'd be shocked if we get more than 6, but we're not at that point yet. Maybe if the event keeps on growing then we'll one day get there.

As it is we have space for 8 teams, 6 seems to be a realistic goal for 'nations' so I opened up the other two slots. If we get an enquiry about extra teams then I'll approach the organisers.

I don't understand at all how giving the other UK teams arbitrary names would be beneficial

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 Post subject: Re: UK participation in the Euros
PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:18 pm 
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@Kyrt. Wales is a country. Unless you think England isn't a country too.

I think that as long as at least half of the teams are not UK, it should be fine. It isn't completely optimal. Hopefully this will galvanise players in other EU countries(or even further afield) into coming. I think its really more about participating in something rather than going and winning something at the moment. A lot of the smaller countries who go to the big ETC event go to have fun and meet likeminded people.

Because of this I think that a decent reporting of the event for those who can't make it is almost as important as who goes and what team name they get.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:44 pm 
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It's pointless calling a team team Wales if no one in that team is going to be from Wales. This is not a complicated idea. If four Welsh players had decided to enter as a team then I'm sure they could decide to call refer to themselves as team Wales. As this isn't the case however, this is all a completely irrelevant complaint.


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 Post subject: Re: UK participation in the Euros
PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:49 pm 
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@Kyrt. Wales is a country. Unless you think England isn't a country too.

I think that as long as at least half of the teams are not UK, it should be fine. It isn't completely optimal. Hopefully this will galvanise players in other EU countries(or even further afield) into coming. I think its really more about participating in something rather than going and winning something at the moment. A lot of the smaller countries who go to the big ETC event go to have fun and meet likeminded people.

Because of this I think that a decent reporting of the event for those who can't make it is almost as important as who goes and what team name they get.

I mean it's not a distinct country from the UK. And no, neither is England. Thus anyone in team Wales would also be eligible for team UK, but literally 0% of the UK teams would be eligible for team Wales. It'd be different if there were actually people from Wales wanting to come, but there aren't so it is purely a difference in name, there is no "principle" of nationality at stake. So UK South has exactly the same effect as UK Wales, except that you can actually make an assertion that the people in it are from the south (whereas nobody from Wales is coming).

I honestly don't see how pretending to be from Wales makes things any more palatable to other participants, that doesn't seem to be an issue and in fact I think it would be worse. If anything, splitting up the UK into four fake teams could be seen as a way to guarantee ourselves four national teams - at least this way we are up front about it, and as Steve says the only reason we have more than one is because there are spare places.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:35 pm 
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I consider Yorkshire to be more of a foreign Country than Germany, Sweden or Norway. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: UK participation in the Euros
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:05 am 
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Speaking of which, we can give ourselves a nickname right? Has to be southern fairies, Shirley?

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 Post subject: Re: UK participation in the Euros
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:17 pm 
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@ Kyrt.
I meant only that first part of my post to be directed to the Wales thing. The rest I should have been clear, was just part of the general discussion. I wasn't trying to call for the creation of a Wales team(although since I wasn't clear, and because of a typo in the post, it sure looks that way).

The rest of my post, I was actually trying to make the point that it doesn't matter what the team names are, or where exactly the majority of people are from(as long as preference is given to those countries that can actually create a team in a timely manner).

To me what is important is showing that this format works, and that there is a specific place for players from all over the place to congregate at an event that is international.

Because of all that, I think it's more important that there is coverage of the event, than spending time on what the teams are called.

I won't edit my above post because then this apology for it won't make sense. Sorry for posting in a confusing manner.

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 Post subject: Re: UK participation in the Euros
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:13 pm 
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No it's fine and my own posts aren't exactly clear either. I agree, I don't think it matters what the teams are called at this point (which is the main thrust of what I've been saying in a very long-winded way). If this year's is anything to go by interest will be high, hopefully we'll see photos, tweets etc etc :)

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