Wow!!! I cannot understand why you or anyone would think a formation that is capable of taking out a Reaver in 1 turn or even a Warlord with a classic 1-2 activation (prep/damage then assault/support) would not be worth 800 points.
If a formation is capable of doing what you say above then to me they would be worth much more than 700 points.

The only viable argument for me has been Rugs about not being able to take singles. Even the argument about taking BM's easier and because of that not being 1+ activation for long is the same wether the falcons are 50 or 62.5 points.

Somewhere around 200-225pts IMO, just like the other DC3 war engines.

I'd argue probably 200, due to the way the BP chart works.

It was the way the BP chart works that was the reason that you'd never take them in pairs before, of course, even when you might occasionally try it with another EoV.

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It's not 8 Falcons on turn 1 it's Kyrt's suggestion of 8 Falcons and 8 Fire Dragon's possibly taking out a Reaver in 1 turn.
For me any formation that has that kind of potential firepower per turn is worth more than an 700 points, others don't agree but thats still my view.

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There's nothing in the 40k Cobra rules or background to suggest it is equally potent against larger titans.

It's a powerful titan killer, with a gigantic template. The distinctive difference the Cobra has in 40k and the background is that due to it ripping open a warp hole it's main gun completely ignores void/power fields. I would rather this have been adopted for the Cobra too, giving it TK(D3), Ignore Shields.

I'd have preferred cheaper transport Falcons, 50 points would be better. Good to see the more expensive Void Spinner.

The Titan Legion list looks interesting, a very different take to the Net-EA version, with the up-gunned but more expensive titans. Like others I think it's a shame the Emperor class titans weren't included though.

Given that you would have to double into 15cm range from the Reaver in order to use the Fire Dragons MW attacks, I remain unconvinced that this could be done by firepower alone - unless you are throwing the dice Dave
(The actual maths are 16x 5+, 8x 6+, 8x 6+MW or an average of ~6x normal and ~3 MW hits which a shielded Reaver will shrug off quite happily)

And as for the classic 1-2, fire then support, that implies a second Aspect formation or similar so an additional 300 points minimum, making this tactic use over one third of the 3K army - you should expect some fairly dramatic results for that.

Well when you consider Falcons and Fire Dragons are FF4+ you're math may have to change?

Cos if I know dtpdexys he wasn't thinking you win Epic by shooting!!

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Correct, I said advance, not double like your numbers illustrate. As you say, there are lots of things that conspire to make moves like this a mere pipe dream, and getting into position without surrendering a 700 point BTS to certain death is one of them. Which is why I said 700 "might just about be viable", not 800 and not a dead cert.

However I do think it will be possible to advance on a reaver if you want to, just obviously not in turn 1. It's quite usual to double/march up behind cover in turn one ready to engage in turn 2, so i don't see it as any different. I would estimate that you're quite likely to seriously damage and break a reaver that way, then if it doesn't move finish it off by initiating assault with something cheap like jetbikes. The problem is that your BTS is then probably going to die horribly I'd say 900-1000 points is not cheap for that kind of capability.

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It's also going to be pounded by arty on turn 1. It's just about an ideal target. ;-)

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Well if arty doesn't have to fire counter battery then the BTS is nearly always the next best target is it not?

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@Kyrt - LoL mate,

So the Reaver is standing "Loud and Proud" in the open, looking elsewhere while the dastardly Falcons sneak up (from within 50 cms) and start firing with everything.

So that is 16x 4+, 8x 5+ and 8x 5+MW hits - or ~11 normal hits and ~3 MW hits.
Even assuming the Reaver is not shielded, that is an average of ~3 normal damage and ~1.5 MW damage - still not enough to take out the beastie.

Potentially this would not even break it, and as you say, that will certainly have got it's attention . . . . .

So, a quick Marshall (and shooting the BTS so conveniently placed in 15 CM) or even just stepping away put of support range or . . .
But I think we all agree that there are too many "if's, buts and maybes" to make this any more than a pipe-dream as you rightly say

I (probably) wouldn't go for most Titan types with arty.
I'd definitely go for a mixed AV/Inf swarm with arty.
Shruggoth.

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