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Squats or Demiurg?
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Squats or Demiurg?

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 3:39 pm 
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Demis, Squats Khazari ... it's all good ... IMO ...  8v)

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 4:16 pm 
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I've never been a fan of the Squat name TBH.

I think the closest sucessful comparison is Space Elves, or Eldar.
'Eldar' has the obvious connection to 'elf' but it subtly different enough to stand out on originality. It's also a made-up noun, it's unique.

The Space Dwarves never got that treatment. 'Squat' is bluntly a descriptive of what they are, quite derogatory as well. It's a slang term, said by non-Space Dwarves behind their backs.
In that regard it's good, it gives the fictional species depth, implies it's been around long enough for other species to develop terms for them.

Back to Eldar, they could be pixies, pointy ears, etc.

The problem comes when it's used as an official term by the species itself.
Codex: Pointy Ears? Not quite as catchy.

The great and venerable Pointy Ear glared at the enemy..

That's the problem with 'Squats'. Having Demiurg as their official title, with 'squats' as the slang term gives them some credibility- more than fat bikers in space.


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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 4:18 pm 
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'Eldar' has the obvious connection to 'elf' but it subtly different enough to stand out on originality. It's also a made-up noun, it's unique.


GW didn't make it up though; it's Tolkein's name for a type of Elf in Lord of the Rings.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:47 pm 
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...and demi urg isn't really better "under earth" or something I believe.

Dwarg could work thou. It got the same partial same sound as elf and eldar. Or maybe Dwark, to not confuse with Warg. And then nor Dwark either, to not be confused with Ardwaark...

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:49 pm 
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I like "Dwarrow" or "Dwerrow".

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:56 pm 
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Quote: (Erik M @ 29 May 2009, 17:47 )

...and demi urg isn't really better "under earth" or something I believe.

No, it's ancient greek for "artisan" or "craftsman". Gw picked it because it sounds like it could  mean "half man", "halfling" or similar.

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Part of the Dwarf archetype is that they're good artisans of course.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:17 pm 
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Bah, okay Eldar is original-ish (since GW just nicks everything). It's unmistakable, and it isn't a descriptive like 'squat', 'stunted', 'lanky', etc.

...and demi urg isn't really better "under earth" or something I believe.


Assuming your right, I didn't know that, and most kids getting into a game wouldn't. It's subtle, I hope it does mean that.

'Squat' on the other hand is as subtle as a slap in the face.
Codex: Pointy Ears.
Codex: Angry Women.
Codex: Green Football Hooligans.
Codex: Squats.

It just lacks subtlety- it's a derogatory slang term against the 'Space Dwarves', wouldn't they have a more 'respectable' official name within their own society?
I guess it's lazy writing, it seemed none of the designers where that interested in getting a decent Space Dwarf army when Space Elves and Space Orcs where being fleshed out.





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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:21 pm 
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Had the Squats ever been properly developed no doubt they would have been renamed, but they never even had a Codex, so we're stuck with the name really.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 7:33 pm 
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I think that says it all ... :agree: And as long as Mosy & Co. produce books ... I'll probably buy'm ... :;):

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We are giving them one. But they have ha done proper "codex", Warlord.

Space Dwarf, Space Dwarves.

Sparf? Dwace?

Dwarg?

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Oh ... BTW ... I like the name "Squat" ... :))

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I'm pretty sure Erik's thread has been officially hijacked.  8v)

Try taking this discussion here.

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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 11:49 am 
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A few more votes/notes on where to head with the Squat/Demiurg force/s would be well. It is fairly clear by now what "we all think", but the more voices the better.

And no, this poll is still not a challenge to neither epilgrim's excellent work on the Demiurg or the Xenos project. It's a help to make a decision on what to work on first.

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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 2:49 pm 
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I'd say let it run a week at least. That will give the active members of the forums time to comment or pass the word.

again, thanks to everyone that is voting.

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