hmmm. intriguing. I'm not sure how useful the iron hawk would be due to formation coherancy.
I suppose popping up would improve it's line of sight though

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Hi Curis,

thanks a lot for your report.  

On the Squat list, can't really find any glaring faults. It's on a par with an IG list, very tough, very numerous and packing heavy firepower. The style difference is the Squats are slightly more mobile and slightly more armoured, where the IG are less armoured but have more long-range and indirect firepower.

New version of the list. It appears I was a bit optimistic in naming it "final version", so now it's just v3.4.  

List available HERE.

Changes made:

SPECIAL RULES

- New version of the "Obstinate" rule : less random and not as potentially strong as the previous rule. Funny thing: after I came up with the "+1BM for breaking", Flogus pointed out that the Elysian list has a similar rule. Great minds think alike, it seems.  

ARMY LIST

- Only 2 Support formations per Core formation in the army (instead of 3).
- All 3 units choices for the Grand Battery now cost 150 points.
- The AA Battery now costs 150 points.
- The Warlord and Living Ancestor now cost 100 and 75 points (respectively) and are now longer mutually exclusive. 0-1 Warlord per army but it is now possible to have 1 Living Ancestor per Warrior Brotherhood.

UNITS

- Warlord gets Supreme Commander.
- Living Ancestor loses Supreme Commander and its MW CC attack, but remains Inspiring.
- The Mole Mortar is no longer a 1BP weapon, but an AP5+/AT5+ weapon with Ignore Cover and Indirect Fire.
- Thunderers reduced to FF4+.
- The Leviathan, Colossus and Cyclops all lose 1 Void Shield.

Hopefully this list is more balanced and still pleasant to play with and against. Comments welcome as usual.  

Question about the Land Train

It reads

"The land train must Choose(and only one) of the following Options: 2 Additional Battlecannons, 1, Siege Mortar, 1 Firethrower, or 1 rad bomb"

So does that mean it can have one Car attached (2 if you go with the Battlecannons) or does that mean you can choose 1 of each, no duplicates (which makes more sense considering the point cost)

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It means 1 Locomotive + 3 Gun Wagons + 1 additional wagon (may be 1 more Gun Wagon, or 1 Mortar Wagon, or 1 Dragoon Wagon, or 1 Bomb Wagon)

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What is the reason for the land train being as limited in it's selection as it is?

Is it power, points value, or something else?

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It means the Land Train is always composed of:

1 Engine (1 Doomsday Cannon, 2 battlecannons)
3 "regular" Battlecars (3x2 battlecannons)
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1 option: either 1 regular Battlecar (+2 battlecannons) OR 1 Mortar Battlecar (+1 Siege Mortar) OR 1 Dragon Battlecar (+1 Firethrower) OR 1 Bomb Battlecar (+1 Rad Bomb)

... for a total of 1 Engine and 4 Battlecars.


What is the reason for the land train being as limited in it's selection as it is?

Is it power, points value, or something else?

On the landtrain is there some sort of modelling or usage code that you use for which battlecars are being used as I'm sure I'm not alone in having a landtrain with a mix of cars that represent the 1 of only versions.

I'm guessing tell the opponent or the last car is the special one.

I'm still undecided on which list to use (this or Demiurg) but I quite like what I've seen.

This was also one of the reasons for a fixed profile: you don't really have to worry about model availability. You don't even have to tell yout opponent which car is which, as they're not individualized, they're all "abstracted" in the profile. It's also OK if you only have 2-3 cars.

Theoretically, you could even use/scratchbuild a Land Train that looks more like a huge mobile fortress brimming with guns (something akin to the Capitol Imperialis, for example) than a "proper" train. Think of it as a Titan with weapons options.

Just tried the 4K game with SM.
2 x Warrior Brotherhood
2 x Berserker Brotherhood
2 x Grand Battery
2 x Bikers Guild
Iron Eagle Squadron
Thunderer Battery
Leviathan
Overlord Squadron
Colossus

Overall Hojyn did a good job, his army list is well developed and here are some opinions from us.

1) All inf unit are OK, except we dont have any commander at all.
2) The SHT with DC4 and Shield2 both me and my opponent are considered that are balanced except Leviathan is a little bit cheap.
3) Our AA gun (Thunderfire) is a little bit weak compare with others army like hydra or hunter. However I do agree your points of view, Air assault should be squat weakness.
4) Stubborn special rules are a little weak. I do like the concept about extra counter to break. However, just 1 extra counter seems not enough, for the whole game I played, it only happened 1 time that the extra counter do help. Also I think I am not able to rally my army at all. What do you think if the stubborn also can ignore "the enemy units within 30cm" that -1 modifier ?

I didnt try land train or Mega Cannon yet. But I agree that treat the land train as a titan with weapon option and use free planetfall as the tunneling rules, it can minimize the complaint from your opponent.

Thanks for the comments, Bern.  


1) All inf unit are OK, except we dont have any commander at all.

Out of curiosity, who won the game? And what was your opponent playing?

Hi Hojyn,

I've been enjoying using your Squat list these last few weeks.  I've got a few comments:

1.  Robots are listed as infantry, but have the Walker special rule.  Should they be armoured vehicle, light vehicles, or infantry (in which case they shouldn't have the Walker special rule)?

2.  The Tarantula is mounted, but the Mole Mortars and Thudd Guns aren't.  Should they all be mounted as they're artillery pieces?  Or is it intentional?

My version's dated 23/02/09.  Is there a later version?  Your link on the front page doesn't have your files there any more.

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Ahhh, I assume you've taken the list down as now Kharhadrim's Stronghold has been rolled up into COMPENDIUM 2.0_EN.pdf.

Still got the infantry/walker robots though, and Tarantulas as mounted and not the Thudd Guns and Mole Mortars.

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