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Stubborn development thread
epilgrim
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 11:57 am 
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Quote: (frogbear @ 26 May 2009, 10:50 )

Quote: (Lord Inquisitor @ 26 May 2009, 05:23 )

I was going to suggest similar. I don't like the "counting double" mechanic too much though - that means you can get the outnumbering bonus when I outnumber you, which does seem weird. How about this:

Enemy formations that outnumber a Stubborn formation do not receive the +1 combat resolution bonus. Enemy formations that outnumber 2:1 still receive the additional +1 (so a formation that outnumbers by double the number of units would receive only +1 rather than +2 total).

Oooooohh!

I like this one. It is better than mine and represents stubborn very well IMO

Frogbear,

Thank you for clarifying which rule you preferred. Keep in mind that this and another variation on it were listed as potential ideas at the beginning of the thread.

As for how it works I suggest you play an Ork player and a IG player and get their reactions.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:34 pm 
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Erik M
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:43 pm 
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Thanks Mosc, we are indeed very interested in this.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:14 pm 
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Quote: (frogbear @ 26 May 2009, 05:50 )

Quote: (Lord Inquisitor @ 26 May 2009, 05:23 )

I was going to suggest similar. I don't like the "counting double" mechanic too much though - that means you can get the outnumbering bonus when I outnumber you, which does seem weird. How about this:

Enemy formations that outnumber a Stubborn formation do not receive the +1 combat resolution bonus. Enemy formations that outnumber 2:1 still receive the additional +1 (so a formation that outnumbers by double the number of units would receive only +1 rather than +2 total).

Oooooohh!

I like this one. It is better than mine and represents stubborn very well IMO

I like it too, especially if combined with ignoring the -1 for enemy proximity for rallying.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 12:15 pm 
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I will be re-reviewing my notes and considering how to move forward with the use of the special rule "Stubborn".

At present please consider "Stubborn" as follows:

SPECIAL RULE
The following Special Rule applies to all Squat/Demiurg fomations.

Stubborn - Troops with this special ability rally quicker then other troops to get back into the fight. They ignore the -1 modifier for enemy formations with 30cm during the Rally phase.

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Erik M
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 12:58 pm 
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Thanks epil~, that sound like them short hardy ones.
Now I got to get them painted up for testing.  :oops:

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:52 pm 
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Like I have mentioned before, the Stubborn rule will effect other lists in production in the future. It is not unreasonable to think that units such as Plague Marines may adopt the rule in the future with the right ruling, hence it is important that we get it right for the entire game rules, and not just the Squats. There is no point in having multiple Stubborn rules.

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