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Gargant Big Mob vs EpicUK Knights 3K
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Author:  mordoten [ Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:19 am ]
Post subject:  Gargant Big Mob vs EpicUK Knights 3K
Hey guys!

Finally i managed to get a new game in with the gargant list! Kyussinchains mentioned a list build a while back that was potentially broken. It stuck with me and i decided to try it out. Also we wanted to see how the new EpicUK Knight list worked. I applied a 25 points drop to the Great Gargant which will probably be inplemented in the list very soon.

So here goes:

My list:

Kuyssinchains Stompaz, 2995 POINTS
Gargant Bigmob (3.1 - Developmental)
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GREAT GARGANT [825]
(Kustom) Wyrdboy Tower, (Kustom) More Dakka, Snappa, Soopa Zzap Gun, Gatling Kannon

GREAT GARGANT [800]
(Kustom) Reinforced Boiler, (Kustom) Extra Armour Bitz, 2 Gatling Kannon, Snappa

STOMPA MOB (UGE) [535]
9 Stompa, Flak Wagonz

LOOTA WARBAND (NORMAL) [235]
6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 3 Killa Kan, Nobz

FIGHTA-BOMMERS [150]
3 Fighta-Bommers

FIGHTA-BOMMERS [150]
3 Fighta-Bommers

FIGHTA-BOMMERS [150]
3 Fighta-Bommers

FIGHTA-BOMMERS [150]
3 Fighta-Bommers

My opponents list:

EpicUK Knights 2975p

Baron household 600
Paladins + Seneschal 525
Crusaders + Seneschal 375
Errants + Errant + Seneschal 475
AA-guns 150
AA-guns 150
Earthshakers 200
Earthshakers 200
thunderbolts 150
thunderbolts 150
Author:  mordoten [ Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gargant Big Mob vs EpicUK Knights 3K
Setup:

I put my 2 objectvies right at the midline of the board, 30cm apart. That way my great gargant would be able to contest both. The Knights spread out their objectives on both flanks to make them hard to reach for the slow gargants.

Both Great Gargant setup in the middle of the board. Stompa mob garrisoned behind a factory on the right flank. Lootas garrisoned behind a castle on the left flank.

The knights spread out pretty evenly over their table edge and covered the full legnth of the table.

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Author:  mordoten [ Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gargant Big Mob vs EpicUK Knights 3K
Turn 1: Gargants win Initiative.

G: Fighter Bombas ground attack artillery on left flank. AA-guns flak does 1BM on them. 2 earthshakersa and 1 tractor are destroyed and the formation breaks.
G: Fighter Bombas retain and ground attacks artillery on Knights blitz. AA-guns shoots down 2 of them and the last one jinx to safety (3BM).
K: Artillery on Knight blitz sustains on lootas on left flank killing 2 boyz and 1 killa kan (4BM).
G: Fighter Bombas tries to CAP but stand down.
K: AA-guns double towards middle.
G: Fighter Bombas goes on CAP.
K: AA-guns in middle doubles up behind castle.
G: lootas on left flank marshalls but only manages to shed 2 BM:s.
K: errants on left flank doubles forward and fires on lootas for 1BM.
G: BTS-Great Gargant on blitz goes on OW.
K: Crusaders on right flank doubles forward and fires on stompa mob for 1BM.
G: Great gargant doubles forward to the center of the board.
K: Paladins in middle advances and fires on stompa mob for 1BM.
G: stompa mob holds and moves together behind factory to hide from more knight cannons.
K: Baron household advances towards center and fires on great gargant stripping 3 shields (1BM).
K: thunderbolts stand down.
K: Thunderbolts intercept fighter bombas. Fighter bombas on CAP intercepts and shot down both thunderbolts.

END PHASE:

Artillery rallies.

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Author:  mordoten [ Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gargant Big Mob vs EpicUK Knights 3K
TURN 2: Knights win Initiative.

K: artillery sustains on lootas for 1BM.
K: errants retain engage lootas winning by 3 kills.
G: fighter bombas ground attack errants for 1DC (2BM).
G: fighter bombas retain and ground attack errants for 1BM.
K: artillery doubles up behind large hill in the middle.
G: fighter bombas ground atatck errants doing 1DC (2BM).
K: Crusaders doubles forward on right flank and fires on great gargant stripping 2 shields (1BM).
G: fighter bombas ground attacks errants doing 1DC and breaking them.
K: Baron household sustains on great gargant stripping 4 shields (1BM).
G: stompa mob doubles and fires crusaders doing 1DC (2BM).
K: AA-guns doubles to center and fires on great gargant stripping 1 shield (1BM).
G: great gargant doubles forward and fires on AA-guns wiping them out.
K: Paladins advance to center and fires on great gargant stripping the last 2 shields (1BM).
K: AA-guns behind large hill goes on OW.
K: thunderbolts ground attack great gargant for 1BM.

END PHASE:

lootas fails to rally
errants fails to rally.

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Author:  mordoten [ Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gargant Big Mob vs EpicUK Knights 3K
TURN 3: Gargants win initiative.

G: Stompa Mob engages crusaders wiping them out for the loss of 2 stompas (2BM).
G: fighter bombas retain but stand down.
K: Baron household doubles forward next to great gargant and fires on it for 1BM.
K: Paladins retain and engages the great gargant with the support of the Baron household. They win the combat doing 3DC and recieving 1DC each on 2 knights. The GG breaks but only moves 5cm.
G: fighter bombas ground attacks errants killing 1 knight due to BM:s.
K: artillery sustains on stompa mob killing 1 stompa (2BM).
G: fighter bombas ground attacks errants dioing 1DC due to BM:s
K: thunderbolts ground atatck stompa mobkilling 1 stompa and breaks the formation.
G: fighter bombas stands down.
K: AA-guns marches to t&H objective on left flank.
G: Great gargant by gargant blitz doubles forward and fires on Baron Household doing 1DC (2BM).
K: artillery behind large hill holds and regroups.

END PHASE:

Errants rallies
lootas fail to rally
stompa mob rallies
great gargant rallies (waaaagh!)

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Author:  mordoten [ Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gargant Big Mob vs EpicUK Knights 3K
TURN 4: Knights win initiative.

K: Baron household uses its commander ability and calls for a combined assault with the paladins against the Great gargant. The knights only manages to do 3DC due to excellent rolling by me for armour saves! They loose 2 paladins in the battle. They manage to win the combat and the gargant breaks.
G: fighter bombas ground attacks artillery killing 1 tractor (2BM).
K: errants on left flank advances and fires on broken lootas killing 1 due to BM:s.
G: fighter bombas ground attacks artillery on left flank killing 1 tractor and 1 earthshaker breaking the formation.
K: artillery holds and regroups.
G: fighter bombas ground attacks artillery killing 1 tractor and 1 earthshaker breaking the formation.
K: thunderbolts ground attack stompa mob for 1BM.
G: fighter bombas ground attacks broken artillery and wipes it out.
K: AA-guns holds and regroups.
G: stompa mob doubles and fires on paladins for 1BM.
G: great gargant by gargant blitz doubles towards left flank and fires on errants for 1BM.

END PHASE:

Great Gargant fails to rally.
Artillery fails to rally
lootas fail to rally.

0 - 0 in objectives.

The game ends in a minor draw with 1025 to Gargants vs 1017 points to the Knights! Waaaagh!!

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Author:  mordoten [ Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gargant Big Mob vs EpicUK Knights 3K
My thoughts:

First off i managed to roll the full 12 shields for both gargants in the beginning of the game. My opponent sobbed quietly.
a great gargant with 13DC and 12 shields can take a beating!! Like KIC pointed out to me in the gargant thread this kind of build and tactics could prove to be very, very hard to beat. But every game would end up going to points after 4 turns which is not very fun.
You can effectivly deny both the Blitz and BTS objective by sticking a defense orientated great gargant on the blitz. You let the Huge Stompa Mob guard 1 of thr T&H objectives to deny T&H.
Objective placement like i did here makes it easy for a GG to contest both T&H objectives and thus denyng the DtF objective also...

So my thoughts are that it might be a good idea to put a 0-1 restriction on Mega Gargants and Great gargants in the list (cue loud protests from Kadeton ;) ) in order to avoid that the list becomes a 1 trick pony thats very boring to play and face...
Author:  Tiny-Tim [ Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gargant Big Mob vs EpicUK Knights 3K
Thanks for the report
Author:  kyussinchains [ Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gargant Big Mob vs EpicUK Knights 3K
Cheers for the report mordoten! I just unpacked my second gargant this morning and hope to get some testing in soon :)
Author:  carlos [ Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gargant Big Mob vs EpicUK Knights 3K
My experience facing that kind of list is either avoid the big ones and go for draw which is not fun or just throw everything at the bts. It can work...
Author:  Bellerophon [ Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gargant Big Mob vs EpicUK Knights 3K
Interesting I have the Gargants to do a list like this. I may have to take a look at the army list and give them an outing. Espcially against my friends Titan list.
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