So, got another game in on Vassal. This time against forum member Argol.

He decided to use Scions of Iron with the following NDC suggestions:

Predator Destructor autocannons gets 2 shots.

I took Black legion and tried the following NDC suggestions:

Hellblades weapons goes to 30cm but AA is reduced to 6+
Flamers get 1 3+FF attack.

Heres our lists:

Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
13TH BLACK CRUSADE BLACK LEGION (2014 Armybook Edition)
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RETINUE [340]
8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Sorcerer Lord, Daemonic Pact, 4 Rhino

RETINUE [340]
8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Sorcerer Lord, Daemonic Pact, 4 Rhino

RETINUE [425]
8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Warlord (Supreme Commander), Obliterator, Daemonic Pact

CHOSEN [170]
4 Chaos Space Marine Scouts, (Chaos Undivided), Daemonic Pact, 4 Dreadclaw Drop Pod

DEVASTATION CLASS CRUISER [150]
(Chaos Undivided)

FERAL TITAN [275]
(Chaos Undivided)

FERAL TITAN [275]
(Chaos Undivided)

HELL BLADES [200]
3 Hell Blade Fighters, (Chaos Undivided)

CHAOS TERMINATORS [300]
(Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, 4 Chaos Terminator, Daemonic Pact

HAVOC RETINUE [250]
4 Havoc units, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, 2 Rhinos, Daemonic Pact

CHOSEN [170]
4 Chaos Space Marine Scouts, (Chaos Undivided), Daemonic Pact, 2 Rhino

DAEMON POOL [105]
(Chaos Undivided), 7 Lesser Daemon

Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
Scions of Iron (NetEA Tournament Pack 2016)
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TACTICAL [475]
4 Tactical units plus transport, Supreme Commander in Prometheus, 2 Predator Destructor

TACTICAL [375]
4 Tactical units plus transport, 2 Predator Annihilator, Hunter

HEAVY TACTICAL [325]
4 Tactical units, 2 Land Raider

HEAVY TACTICAL [325]
4 Tactical units, 2 Land Raider

SCOUT [175]
4 Scout units plus transport, Razorback (twin lascannon)

SCOUT [175]
4 Scout units plus transport, Razorback (twin lascannon)

SCOUT [175]
4 Scout units plus transport, Razorback (twin lascannon)

WARHOUND [275]
1 Warhound Class Titan

WARHOUND [275]
1 Warhound Class Titan

THUNDERHAWK CAS [250]
Thunderhawk (Close Air Support configuration)

FIGHTER SQUADRON [175]
2 Thunderbolt Fighters

Heres the initial setup:

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TURN 1: bLACK LEGION WINS INITIATIVE.

BL1.1: Spaceship activates and OB-plate lands straight on BTS-tacticals killing SC-land raider and 1 marine stand (3BM). Pinpoint attack hits warhound next to BTS-tacticals, strips both shields and does 1DC (2BM). Dreadclaw full of chosen lands in front of same Warhound.
BL1.2: Chosen from dreadclaw summons 3 demons and then retains initiative. They then engage the warhound killing it for no losses.
SoI1.1: Thunderhawk ground attacks garrisoned chosen killing 2 stands and 1 rhino, breaking them.
BL1.3: Hellblades ground attacks garrisoned scouts for 1BM.
SoI1.2: Thunderbolts intercept hellblades and kills 2 of them (3BM).
BL1.4: Feral titan advances and fires on garrisoned scouts for 1BM.
SoI1.3: Garrisoned scouts marshalls (clears 1 BM only) and moves into buildings.
BL1.5: Havocs doubles forward behind forest.
SoI1.4: Tacticals advances and fires on chosen that arrived in dreadclaws. 2stands ar killed and the formation breaks.
BL1.6: Feral doubles forward and fires on garrisoned scouts in buildings killing 1 (2BM).
SoI1.5: TActicals doubles to center of the board and fires on Feral stripping 2 shields (1BM).
BL1.7: Retinue by BL blitz goes on OW.
SoI1.6: Warhound advances and fires on Feral doing 1dc breaking it.
BL1.8: Retinue doubles forward and fires on garrisoned scouts for 1BM.
SoI1.7: Scouts behind centre mountain doubles forward and fires on broken chosen wiping them out.
BL1.9: Retinue doublesforward and fires on scouts in forest killing 1 stand (2BM).
SoI1.8: Heavy tacticals doubles forward and fires on Havocs for 1BM.
SoI1.9: Heavy tacticals doubles forward and fires on Havocs for 1BM.

END PHASE:
Chosen rallies.
Feral titan rallies.

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TURN 2: Scions of Iron wins initiative.

SoI2.1: Heavy tacticals sustains on havocs killing 2 stands (3BM).
SoI2.2: Scouts retains and doubles. Fires on Havocs killing 1 rhino and breaks the formation.
BL2.1: Feral titan doubles and fires on Warhound doing 1dc (2BM).
BL2.2: Second Feral retains and doubles in front of Warhound and fires on it breaking it.
SoI2.3: Tacticals sustain on retinue killing 3 rhinos (4BM).
SoI2.4: Thunderbolts retain and ground atatcks same retinue killing 2 stands and breaks the formation.
BL2.3: Retinue by BL blitz advances up on hill in front of them and fires on scouts killing 1 stand (2BM).
BL2.4: retinue retains, summons 6 demons and engages the same scouts wiping them out for the loss of 1 stand.
SoI2.5: Scouts in buildings Marshall and fires on Feral titan with razorback and kills it (whaaaaaat??!!)
BL2.6: Chosen near BL blitz marshalls and moves closer to BL blitz.
SoI2.6: Thunderhawk ground attacks retinue killing 1 stand and 2 rhinos (4BM).
SoI2.7: Heavy tacticals doubles and fires on Feral for 1BM.
SoI2.8: Tacticals near SoI blitz goes on OW.

END PHASE:

Havocs rallies.
Warhound fails to rally.
Retinue rallies.

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Terminators teleport in right next to Tacticals near SoI blitz.
Turn 3: Black Legion wins initiative.

BL3.1: Terminators summons 4 demons and engages tacticals. 2 terminators are lost in the fight but the whole tactical formation is wiped out and BL can claim the BTS objective.
BL3.2: Feral retains and doubles to SoI blitz and fires on scouts holding it for 1BM.
SoI3.1: Tacticals doubles and fires on retinue for 1BM.
SoI3.2: Heavy tacticals retains and engages same retinue wiping them out for the loss of 1 land raider (1BM).
BL3.3: Retinue engages scouts killing 4 stands for the loss of a sorcerer lord (1BM). The retunue wins the combat.
BL3.4: Retubue near BL blitz retains, summons 3 demons and engages heavy tacticals. The only manage to kill 1 land raider and 1 stand and get completly wiped out in the process giving the Scions the BTS Objective (W to the T to the maddafakking F???!!!)
SoI3.3: Thunderbolts stand down.
BL3.5: Havocs doubles and fires on heavy tacticals for 1BM.
BL3.6: Chosen by BL blitz retains and goes on OW.
SoI3.4: Thunderhawk ground attacks retinue contesting right most T&H objective killing 1 stand and 1 rhino breaking them.
SoI3.5: Heavy tacticals marches to right most objective and claims it.

Game is called and Scions of Iron win 2-1 (T&H and BTS to BTS) in Turn3.

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Damn. Why didn't i play safe with my BTS-retinue and engage the nearest retinue??!! I got greedy and went for a big gamble. It backfired big time and i lost the game because of it.

Flamers at 1 3+ atatck feels way more ok, not crazy amount of dice beiong rolled in each engagment. I think this change is a great one and a no-brainer.
Hellblades at 30cm range helped me to hit stuff withut being hit by ground AA. But then they died quickly from thunderbolts so I didn't get to try them out more.

Predator destuctors getting 2 shots on their autocannon was really scary when facing Argols list. He had a few and their 4 shots each put some hurt on my traitor marines. I really like the change though because now predator destructors really feels like a unit thats woth to take! A real Inf killer AND a FF3+ value makes it a good choice.

Hopefully Argol will give his thoughts too.

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Now I'm taking a break for a few days. Hopefully theres a few more battle reports up and way less of everything else...

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Hey that's a pretty boss map. Mind shooting me a vsav on some of these maps you're making so I can add them to the Vassal pre-made maps archive? It'd be a great resource

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sure, if i know how to do it... :-)

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oh, thats a premade map in the vassal module, i just changed it around a little...

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Really? I must have forgotten it. TBF, Apoc does most of the work on the premade maps and I do the fiddly bits with the module/module extensions

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I'll gladly do a couple of maps that could be usefull if you want them!

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oh yeah because we keep a set of premade ones around. It really helps people out I feel. let's be honest, the hardest part of EA Vassal is making interesting maps (we'll.. after the whole "Vassal doesn't follow the underlying OS gestures" but I digress )

Anything neat you make, sling it our way! AWESOME! It's as easy as simply using the SAVE GAME and sending the vsav file. (that's actually how Apoc and I make them, new empty game and set up terrain then save)

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Cool, will do that then!

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