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Author: | Steve54 [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:05 am ] |
Post subject: | CHAOS LISTS |
NET EA Finished Lists - locked until next review period (at least 1 year). BLACK LEGION LOST AND THE DAMNED http://www.players.tacticalwargames.net ... fileId=112 Wth these additional changes - PDF will be updated with these These include the collated typos from the above version SPECIAL RULES ‘Range’ of all-faction hatred reduced to 15cm UNITS Remove Stalker Daemon assault engines - remove INV LoB - remove INV Plague Tower - remove INV - should be 3+D3 Subjagator should be CC3+ FF5+ Chaos Spawn should have D3 extra CC attacks Demagogue should have CC5+ Add Chaos Altar Daemon Prince should only have +1 EA in FF Land Raider refers to Chosen rather than Terminators in transport notes Rhinos - need Chosen added to transport notes Great Unclean one -changes to Stream of Corruption 15cm small arms EA+1 Ignore Cover OR 15cm 3BP Ignore Cover Bloodthirster - should read TK(1) rather than (+1) BLACK LEGION LIST Terminators - change to 275 for 4 Terminators+Lord Character, 0-2 additional terminators for 60pts each Raptor Cult - change to 175 for 4 Raptors+Lord Character, 0-4 additional Raptors for 35pts each Defilers - formation drops to 250pts, initiative to 3+ Upgrades - Remove Stalker hell blades should be 225 for 3 Helltalons should be 175 for 2 LATD LIST Remove free pact for Coven Add Daemonic Pact to upgrade list - 25pts |
Author: | Steve54 [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: CHAOS LISTS |
2nd Wave Lists - these are now the focus of development and testing World Eaters http://www.wargamer.com.au/epic/World_Eaters_pd34.pdf AC is Frogbear, list frozen until Jan 2011 Emperors Children http://www.wargamer.com.au/epic/Emperor ... n_pd34.pdf AC is Frogbear, list frozen until Jan 2011 Death Guard AC is Hena Thousand Sons viewtopic.php?f=82&t=18514 AC is Neal Hunt Red Corsairs AC is BlackLegion |
Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CHAOS LISTS |
Since when have Hell Talons 2BP? |
Author: | frogbear [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CHAOS LISTS |
BlackLegion wrote: Since when have Hell Talons 2BP? When they come in a squad of two perhaps? ![]() |
Author: | Steve54 [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CHAOS LISTS |
BlackLegion wrote: Since when have Hell Talons 2BP? As far as I'm aware they always have - netEa beta, list from GW site, list from old-old GW site and last version before finalisation by Pixelgeek are all 2 BP |
Author: | Steve54 [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CHAOS LISTS |
BlackLegion wrote: Since when have Hell Talons 2BP? As far as I'm aware they always have - netEa beta, list from GW site, list from old-old GW site and last version before finalisation by Pixelgeek are all 2 BP |
Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CHAOS LISTS |
Well ok. Thought they where BP1 only. |
Author: | frogbear [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: CHAOS LISTS |
We not only have the World Eaters and Emperor's Children list with 1BP, we also have Hena with the Death Guard using 1 BP. Back this up with Black Legion stating 1BP and we all derived it from somewhere. Looking back at the initial Black Legion playtest changes V1.0 by Lord I seem them printed as 1BP. So somewhere along the lines either the V1.0 playtest changes changed it or got it wrong with a misprint. So until otherwise changed, I guess 2BP is it with the latest advise. |
Author: | AxelFendersson [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CHAOS LISTS |
frogbear wrote: Looking back at the initial Black Legion playtest changes V1.0 by Lord I seem them printed as 1BP. This is where the change originated, I think. This was the same point that they had their cost dropped to 175 points. I thought the two changes were supposed to go together. But if people are finding they're still only worth 175 points with 2BP, I'm not going to argue. They never seemed worth 300pts, anyway. |
Author: | zombocom [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CHAOS LISTS |
Honestly, with 1 bp they're completely useless. |
Author: | Hojyn [ Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: CHAOS LISTS |
About the Greater Daemons. Bloodthirster > the Whip indicates TK(+1). Shouldn't it be simply TK(1)? Great Unclean One > Does it still use the Flamer template? There are no rules for it in the current list (or anywhere else, unless I'm mistaken). Why not give it something like 4x or 6x AP4+/AT5+? Otherwise I really like this version of the list, particularly the army list's structure. Much better now. ![]() EDIT - Plague Zombies: Why not replace "Infestation (treat placement just like teleport)" with "Teleport"? |
Author: | Hojyn [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: CHAOS LISTS |
Up, hoping that somebody will answer my questions. ![]() |
Author: | Steve54 [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: CHAOS LISTS |
Bloodthirster - typo will be changed though both produce the same result Plaguebearer - as, due to RL absences, the doc has not been finalised yet I'll change this to Stream of Corruption 15cm small arms extra attack +1 ignore cover OR 15cm 3BP Ignore cover Any objections? Zombies - leave as they are |
Author: | Hojyn [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CHAOS LISTS |
Thanks for the answers. ![]() No objections at all, I was just wondering. |
Author: | nealhunt [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CHAOS LISTS |
I haven't looked at the lists until recently and I didn't realize that the plan was to go with the core/elite/support structure like EUK. I have to say that I don't like that for a couple reasons. The most important is that it is pretty darn restrictive and it seriously hinders the "warband" variety that is available in the original list and cuts some very reasonable and flavorful options. It hinders a deepstrike list. With Forlorn Hope using a drop/summon combo and Termies as an "add on" option, it was possible to deepstrike nearly everything: Retinue (1 Retinue on the ground), 2x FH+ daemon kit, 2x Termies . With FH and Termies coming out of the same pool there's no similar option. Instead of being able to deepstrike ~2000 points, you'd be doing well to drop ~1200 points. I have a Slaanesh cult that's centered on armor. It is a couple reinforced Retinues, a bike/beast formation, Land Raiders, Terminators (1 formation), 3 Decimators and some air cover. I don't think that's an abusive list and it has a lot of flavor. It's a big infantry line backed by superheavies and a maneuver element of LRs and beasts. However, that would not be possible. Even my very simple and straightforward area denial strategy loses critical elements - 2 garrison retinues, 1 mech retinue, 2 FH screens, 2 termies. It has to lose a formation of scout coverage (vital for slowing and baiting the enemy) or a formation of terminators (critical counter-attack, because the force is otherwise lacking mobility, and also the only heavy hitters in the force if it faces something heavy). I don't think that an infantry force based around a core of 3 Retinues is out of line for a chaos force. That's 2 infantry heavy forces and even the "armor" force is 50% infantry. I know those kinds of armies aren't seen in the EUK tourney circuit so deleting them means nothing to them, but I think this is a big deal for a list that is supposed to be general purpose. |
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