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Thoughts on Chaos Titan Legions
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Author:  British [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:25 am ]
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Now, while I split appart my project in its early stages to prevent it turning it into a 'AMTL and then some' list - but I'm pondering the recreation of some form of simpler Undivided list - now while the official Black Legion list does include the classic Banelord configuration, I'm increasinly drawn to the modern reinterpretation of the Chaos Titans, which essentially gives them all the same weapons as the regular Titans, and none of the funky old classics,

Now I know theres going to be some who prefer the funky old classics, and I have full intention to soldier on with Khorne and Nurgle - but I don't have the time, capacity or will to work on four seperate lists with their own nuances (and I really...really can't be bothered to make four lists of Titans because well, I'll get bored and they'll end up imaginationless). So in an un-official sense, anyone who wants to have a go at making a Tzeentch Titan Legion or a Slaanesh Titan Legion can go ahead - but I'm not going to do them myself in case anyone actually well, cared about wether or not I would.

Essentially put though, after I've done Legio Cariosus and Legio Torva to allow for the use of all the funky classic toys my plan is to put my attention into creating a Traitor AMTL that uses the same weapons framework while incorporating the ideas that have been developed in the individual lists as well as the necissary ballancing to stop it becoming 'AMTL and then some' to be honest, this would include scrapping battle tails given asides from the BL list they haven't appeared alongside Chaos Titans in yonks, and niether have their other bizzare friends - but attempt to make the AMTL list play in a more Chaotic Fashion, keeping marks of the gods, but equally ballancing the edges of the Chaos unique changes against the AMTL list.
Author:  frogbear [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:59 am ]
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British

I say go with it. I for one would like to consider any work you do on a list for any of the World Eater lists I have going.

That brings me to a side note: Do you mind if I use your Khorne list as a basis for potentially including Titans in the World Eater Lists I am developing? I feel that if we start to get consistency throughout lists, they will all 'gel' alot better with each other. Let me know

Cheers....   :;):
Author:  British [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:56 pm ]
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Feel free, however if you do attempt to introduce the use of modular Titans into the WE list you may find that you will encounter issues as to ballancing - I'm not quite sure what the experiences of others are with regards to this, but I personally can see issues arising (imagine Marines with a Plasmalord supporting).
Author:  frogbear [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:12 pm ]
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Quote: (British @ 13 Aug. 2009, 22:56 )

Feel free, however if you do attempt to introduce the use of modular Titans into the WE list

No, just wanting to keep naming conventions and the like if they fit in. That's all   :;):
Author:  Nicodemus [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:35 pm ]
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I would like to see Chaos Titans + Chaos Deamon engines as their "AMTL".

Plague lord supported by 2 Plague Towers and few Contagion Towers... DROOL!
Author:  British [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:38 pm ]
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Current fluff would suggest that "AMTL goes Traitor" is the accurate approach to Titans - certainly the current fluff suggests that we do not see any of the classic weapons, I'd find Chaos does Titans allot easier to do if I restricted myself within the elements of the known Adeptus Mechanicus weaponry currently assigned to Titans (which are now the same weapons their chaos counterparts get).
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:41 pm ]
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Quote: (Hena @ 13 Aug. 2009, 17:37 )

I think this is the problem here. You are trying to AMTL does chaos instead of Chaos does titans.

In a whole galaxy of grim dark walking robots, why would there not be space for both?
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:55 pm ]
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Quote: (Hena @ 13 Aug. 2009, 18:41 )

Fluff says that AMTL turned traitors at Horus' time. I'm pretty sure that the titans not very current any more. Chaos does have tendency to warp things. Besides it would make more interesting list that way.

Some did, yes, but there's no reason to suppose that every legion has remained pure ever since, being as Space Marines and Guardsmen have happily continued to turn traitor ever since at a pretty steady rate.

Also note that Titans from the Heresy (Legio Vulcanum I) appear in Imperial Armour VI, and although their crews are now fused with their Titans, and the Titans themselves tend to bleed when shot, the Titans' weapons are all the same as their Imperial counterparts.

There are even rules for Chaos Warhounds and Chaos Reavers in the Imperial Armour books, and although they have some Chaotic upgrades, their weapons are all the same as their loyalist counterparts. Even the weapons they haven't made yet (from which we can infer that they had the chance to make an entirely new weapon set as the models aren't even sculpted yet, and decided quite firmly that the Chaotic Titans had the same weapons as their imperial counterparts).

So it is clear that the majority of Chaos Titans carry the same weapons as their Imperial counterparts, and it is a rare exception for Chaos Titans to carry 'unique' weapons.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:56 pm ]
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Quote: (Hena @ 13 Aug. 2009, 18:45 )

Well AMTL does traitor (why do this actually bring up a vision of one certain section of film industry  :whistle: ) is more like the undivided thing British was talking about in the first post. IMO the god specific lists should focus more on the Chaos does titans ...

I agree that the God-specific lists is where all the really wacky stuff (like unique weapons) should come out to play.
Author:  British [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:58 pm ]
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Which is why of course I'm trying to make the "God Lists" more wacky, I started from the ballanced base of the current AMTL and now I'm trying to move outwards and make them more strange - I've been quite pleased with the direction current Nurgle list, but the current Khorne list isn't what I want it to be.

My GOAL for the Nurgle and Khorne lists is to make them more wacky, if people have suggestions for how to do so then I would really appreciate their input into the two topics linked to in my sig - Neal is handling the Tzeentch list of course and allready has his own wacky ideas - I'm simply thinking of ways to branch out from the basis of the AMTL (which is in my eyes a very ballanced War Engine list) to create a seperate War Engine list that plays in a vastly different fashion, but retains ballance.

The way I see it is simple:

You've got the Undivided List, which follows along the traits of the AMTL list, with the inspiration of the Forgeworld re-imagining of Chaos Titans while compensating for the extra chaos-ey upgrades with fair ballance against their AMTL counterparts, and possibly a slightly more CHAOS playstyle - thus preventing people upping sticks and going off to use the chaos list for counts as over the AMTL.

And then you've got my Khorne and Nurgle Lists, and Neal's upcoming Tzeentch lists, these are our wacky lists with the flavour that the different Legions of Chaos bring to Chaos Marines to the concept of a Titan Legion - I've started working on that with Nurgle in the sense I've incorporated much more toys from the original Nurgle Titans from Adeptus Titanicus (via Journal pages provided by Neal) - what remains to be added and ballanced are the more....fancy daemonic mutation powers (like leaving terrain in your wake) while evolving the list away from the AMTL army-structure. I'm increasingly more intrested in allowing more lower-level mutation beyond the current favoured Titans while adding a higher class of favoured mutations.

Khorne at the moment is a whole 'nother kettle of Fish, because I want his Legio's to share the wacky, but he's a rather mundane god and I wish to follow fluff in that extent - this is most likely leading me down the path of bezerk Titans and Titans occasionally exploding and an army that charges screaming into the enemy armed with close combat weaponry while hammering fire as they come in. (possibly a +1 to Int for Advance actions so long as they use the advance to move towards an enemy unit and so on...)
Author:  redsimon [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:42 pm ]
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Quote: (Hena @ 13 Aug. 2009, 19:45 )

Well AMTL does traitor (why do this actually bring up a vision of one certain section of film industry  :whistle: ) is more like the undivided thing British was talking about in the first post. IMO the god specific lists should focus more on the Chaos does titans ...

In my Titan game in production (I begin to sound like a broken record :upside:) I separated Traitor Titan Legions (as Chaos Titan Legions) which still have living crew inside and the totally warped, crazy, Cult Titans dedicated to the Chaos gods which are daemon engines. I always pictured these as totally different, being part of Cult Forces of the four gods and Chaos Undivided and of course larger forces made up of different combined Cult forces.
IMO the Traitor Titan Legions are still in league with the Dark Mechanicus while the Cult Titans are totally devoted to their patron god or Chaos Undivided.
Author:  lilith [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:00 pm ]
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in my opinion khorne titan list had to be  more close combat oriented. To do so maybe you can add this rules (or if you think is too strong change it to a devide that must use one weapon slot) :
Each khorne titan want to do march or engage have +2 on ini roll if want to double only +1 (the double part can be deleted if people think is too strong). I don't like the favoured stuff ( really don't like the sustained bonus , ok they are titan but they are also deamon so they want to smash people on contact not miles away.
In genaral i like to include in the cult titan list the lord of battles , plague tower and all the other dedicated av/war engine from the latd list.
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