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Demon Summoning
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Author:  iblisdrax [ Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Demon Summoning
Okay...I know this isnt the BL section, but the LatD summon too, so it applies.  My issue is, when summoning demons, how the @#$#@ can you ever get enough points to get a greater demon?  I have used a champion in several formations in multiple games, yet have a) not been able to summon demons with the formations cuz they got squished, or b) Never got the 8 summoning points necessary.  I was rolling 4d3 (2d3+champs 2d3) each time.  I am just curious whether it is just my abysmal luck...or something is amiss.  At any rate, I get extremely frustrated because I have yet to be able to use a 100 point greater demon in a game.

All comments and criticisms welcome.

:)


ib
Author:  J0k3r [ Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Demon Summoning
My maths may be wrong here, but rolling 4 D3 the most statistically likely role should be an 8 as there are more ways of 4d3 making 8 than other numbers between 4-12.  

Cant for the life of me figure out how to prove that though. Stats was never my strong point  :)
Author:  Steve54 [ Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Demon Summoning
I think I've taken the Champion and greater daemon 4 times and of those have 3 times managed to summon it - the other time the unit, chosen I think, was broken before they could activate.
Perhaps you need new dice?

I rarely take the Champion/Greater Daemon as I think the 200+ points necessary (icon, pact, champion, daemon) just Isn't worth the points. Possibly in big games 5k+ to combine with teleporting chosen as an anti-titan formation - but I'm not sure about Chosen either as the BL strategy is to low to give a high probability of winning initiative
Author:  nealhunt [ Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Demon Summoning
The chances of failing with 4d3 are ~40%.  If you've failed more than twice in a row you're well into the single digits as far as % chance.

If you plan to summon with L&D, the thing to do is take a formation with a Demagogue and an Altar.  IIRC, with 4d3+2 the chances of failing drop to ~10%.  The Altar also means that you will have 2 WEs in the formation - GD and Altar.

Also, I thought the GD for the BL list had been dropped to 75 points because it's not possible to drop the chances of a failed summon below 40%.  I know we discussed dropping the points at length and came to the conclusion that the L&D list did not warrant a drop in points because they could almost guarantee results.  I don't know if PG decided against dropping the points or if the final few edits weren't included in the last vault submission.
Author:  iblisdrax [ Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Demon Summoning
Hmmm....well.  Maybe I will try that.. 75 pts per GD.  Either that or give one of the other characters +2 and increase its point value.  hmm.


ib
Author:  Dwarf Supreme [ Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Demon Summoning
I'd try new dice.  :p
Author:  iblisdrax [ Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Demon Summoning
I reallly hate D3's....really really really hate em.  And apparently, they hate me too.

:p

ib
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