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iblisdrax
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Post subject: Demon Summoning Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:52 pm |
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Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:54 pm Posts: 3381 Location: First star to the right, and straight on till morning.
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Okay...I know this isnt the BL section, but the LatD summon too, so it applies. My issue is, when summoning demons, how the @#$#@ can you ever get enough points to get a greater demon? I have used a champion in several formations in multiple games, yet have a) not been able to summon demons with the formations cuz they got squished, or b) Never got the 8 summoning points necessary. I was rolling 4d3 (2d3+champs 2d3) each time. I am just curious whether it is just my abysmal luck...or something is amiss. At any rate, I get extremely frustrated because I have yet to be able to use a 100 point greater demon in a game.
All comments and criticisms welcome.
ib
_________________ "Have Leman Reuss, will travel"
"Hallo. My name is Indigo Montoya. You killed my father prepare to die!"
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J0k3r
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Post subject: Demon Summoning Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:00 pm |
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Joined: Mon May 08, 2006 11:18 pm Posts: 876 Location: Edinburgh, UK
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My maths may be wrong here, but rolling 4 D3 the most statistically likely role should be an 8 as there are more ways of 4d3 making 8 than other numbers between 4-12.
Cant for the life of me figure out how to prove that though. Stats was never my strong point
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Steve54
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Post subject: Demon Summoning Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:12 pm |
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Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:35 am Posts: 4311
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I think I've taken the Champion and greater daemon 4 times and of those have 3 times managed to summon it - the other time the unit, chosen I think, was broken before they could activate. Perhaps you need new dice?
I rarely take the Champion/Greater Daemon as I think the 200+ points necessary (icon, pact, champion, daemon) just Isn't worth the points. Possibly in big games 5k+ to combine with teleporting chosen as an anti-titan formation - but I'm not sure about Chosen either as the BL strategy is to low to give a high probability of winning initiative
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nealhunt
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Post subject: Demon Summoning Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:14 pm |
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Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA
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The chances of failing with 4d3 are ~40%. If you've failed more than twice in a row you're well into the single digits as far as % chance.
If you plan to summon with L&D, the thing to do is take a formation with a Demagogue and an Altar. IIRC, with 4d3+2 the chances of failing drop to ~10%. The Altar also means that you will have 2 WEs in the formation - GD and Altar.
Also, I thought the GD for the BL list had been dropped to 75 points because it's not possible to drop the chances of a failed summon below 40%. I know we discussed dropping the points at length and came to the conclusion that the L&D list did not warrant a drop in points because they could almost guarantee results. I don't know if PG decided against dropping the points or if the final few edits weren't included in the last vault submission.
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iblisdrax
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Post subject: Demon Summoning Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:25 pm |
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Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:54 pm Posts: 3381 Location: First star to the right, and straight on till morning.
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Hmmm....well. Maybe I will try that.. 75 pts per GD. Either that or give one of the other characters +2 and increase its point value. hmm.
ib
_________________ "Have Leman Reuss, will travel"
"Hallo. My name is Indigo Montoya. You killed my father prepare to die!"
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Dwarf Supreme
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Post subject: Demon Summoning Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:35 pm |
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Joined: Fri May 20, 2005 8:45 pm Posts: 11143 Location: Canton, CT, USA
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I'd try new dice.
_________________ "I don't believe in destiny or the guiding hand of fate." N. Peart
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iblisdrax
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Post subject: Demon Summoning Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:53 pm |
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Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:54 pm Posts: 3381 Location: First star to the right, and straight on till morning.
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I reallly hate D3's....really really really hate em. And apparently, they hate me too.
ib
_________________ "Have Leman Reuss, will travel"
"Hallo. My name is Indigo Montoya. You killed my father prepare to die!"
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