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Author:  pixelgeek [ Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:31 am ]
Post subject:  CSM typos
We're about to put out a new update of the final CSM list after some text edits and I wanted to make sure that we caught any typos that were in the document.

So if you know of any typos or errors in the 3.7 version of the CSM list can you please either post them here, in the Epic Forums or email them to me so I can fix them

Thanks
Author:  Chroma [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:03 pm ]
Post subject:  CSM typos
Hey PG!

Did you ever get a chance to take a look at this?

Reformatted Chaos Lists

Please let me know what you think and whether you'd like the Chaos lists done up in this fashion for your next release.
Author:  pixelgeek [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:11 pm ]
Post subject:  CSM typos
I did have a look at it. Looks nice

What fonts are you using and what app to do the layout?

I've got an updated version ready to go as soon as I double check some Titan arcs. Email me again and I'll send you the latest version.
Author:  Chroma [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:17 pm ]
Post subject:  CSM typos

(pixelgeek @ Jul. 10 2007,15:11)
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I've got an updated version ready to go as soon as I double check some Titan arcs. Email me again and I'll send you the latest version.

Is your email still the Gmail one?
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:20 pm ]
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I'd hesitate to call the current CSM list 'final'.


Okay, that was a little curt. :)
Author:  pixelgeek [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:21 pm ]
Post subject:  CSM typos

(Evil and Chaos @ Jul. 10 2007,07:20)
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Okay, that was a little curt. :)

Do you have any corrections that you'd like to submit or are you just trying to be negative?
Author:  Lord Inquisitor [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:48 pm ]
Post subject:  CSM typos
Any or all of these may well have been addressed, as I sent these around before. The major thing that's needed is a dreadclaw datafax. I've one made up if you would like it.

BL2.1.1 Chaos Warlord
One Chaos Lord character in the army must be
upgraded to a Chaos Warlord character. This
additional upgrade does not cost any additional
points.

This doesn?t make sense. The Chaos Warlord character is not an upgrade. How about this:

BL2.1.1 Chaos Warlord
One Chaos Space Marine Lord character in the army must be selected to be the Chaos Warlord. All other Chaos Space Marine Lord characters must be either Chaos Lords or Sorcerer Lords.

BL2.2 Army List
Each and every ?Chaos Lord? in the army list itself needs to be replaced by ?Chaos Space Marine Lord?. Or "Chaos Space Marine Lord" needs to be changed to "Chaos Lord" and the "Chaos Lord" type of character renamed. Either way, the CHARACTER listed in the army list needs to match up with the CHARACTER DATAFAX in the unit lists. Otherwise it looks like you can only have Chaos Lords, not Chaos Sorcerers, etc.


Chaos Rhinos
Replace ?Storm Bolter? with ?Combi-bolter?


Dreadclaw Assault Boats

CODE

Type       Speed       Armour    Close Combat   Firefight
Special  Immobile        5+                 -                    -
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Weapon        Range       Firepower            Notes
Deathwind     15cm      AP5+/AT5+     See special rules below

Notes: Planetfall, Transport (may carry one formation that includes only Chaos Space Marine, Bezerker, Noise Marine, Plague Marine, Thousand Son, Obliterator, Havoc, Daemon Prince and Chaos Dreadnought units). After the Dreadclaw lands, its Deathwind attacks all enemy units within 15cms. Each enemy formation attacked receives a Blast marker for coming under fire, and an extra Blast marker for each casualty as normal. Then any troops carried in the Dreadclaw must disembark within 5cms of the drop pod or within 5cms of another unit from the same formation that has already landed, so long as all units are placed within 15cms of the drop pod. The Dreadclaw model is only used as a marker and does not count as a unit in any respect. It may not be used to claim crossfire and the armour value is for comparative purposes only.

Designer's Note:
Design Concept: In reality, each Chaos Marine unit in the formation will be carried in a separate Dreadclaw. The Dreadclaws are all fired off together in a tight pattern so that they land near to each other. Each such pattern of Dreadclaws will be accompanied by one or two Deathwind pods, which are fired slightly ahead of the transport pods and which use automated weapon-systems to shoot at enemy units in the landing area. The special rule above captures this well, without requiring players to use lots of Dreadclaw models.
Author:  pixelgeek [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:54 pm ]
Post subject:  CSM typos

(Lord Inquisitor @ Jul. 10 2007,10:48)
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BL2.1.1 Chaos Warlord
One Chaos Lord character in the army must be
upgraded to a Chaos Warlord character. This
additional upgrade does not cost any additional
points.

What about:

One Chaos Lord character in the army must be upgraded to a Chaos Warlord character. This does not cost any additional points.

BTW you need to explain what isn't making sense for you. Obviously it makes sense to me and I can't address your issue if you don't tell me what the core issue is.

Chaos Lord is a specific type of Chaos Space Marine Lord.  They aren't the same thing at all.
Author:  Lord Inquisitor [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:03 pm ]
Post subject:  CSM typos

(pixelgeek @ Jul. 10 2007,13:54)
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BTW you need to explain what isn't making sense for you. Obviously it makes sense to me and I can't address your issue if you don't tell me what the core issue is.

Chaos Lord is a specific type of Chaos Space Marine Lord. ?They aren't the same thing at all.

Right. Chaos Lord and Chaos Warlord (and Sorcerer Lord) are all specific types of Chaos Space Marine Lord.

If each Retinue is intended to include a Chaos Space Marine Lord then it should say that.

Because at the moment, you can only have the Chaos Lord subtype. So you may NOT have Sorcerer Lords leading retinues, or, indeed anywhere in the list.

Also, there is nowhere anything about "upgrading" Chaos Lords to Chaos Warlords. They are both simply types of Chaos Space Marine Lords.

If each Retinue is indeed intended to include one Chaos Space Marine Lord (and I'm sure it is) then something needs to be in the list to stop you from taking a Chaos Warlord in each and every formation.

The changes in wording correct both of these issues.

Personally, I would really suggest changing the confusing nomenclature. While boring, could we change "Chaos Space Marine Lord" to "Chaos Commander"? That way we'd all know what you meant by "Chaos Lord".

BTW, I've added in the dreadclaw stats above, I've got it as a word file if you are interested.
Author:  Chroma [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:03 pm ]
Post subject:  CSM typos

(pixelgeek @ Jul. 10 2007,18:54)
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What about:

One Chaos Lord character in the army must be upgraded to a Chaos Warlord character. This does not cost any additional points.


The base "Chaos Space Marine Lord" in each formation shouldn't be listed as an "upgrade", simply "X amount of CSM units plus one Chaos Space Marine Lord character".

Making it an "upgrade" would mean that, the way things are written, it could be seen that such formations may only choose *two* additional upgrades, and I don't think that is the case.

As to the Chaos Warlord, again, I'd remove the word "upgrade" from it and simply have, "One Chaos Space Marine Lord *must* be replaced with a Chaos Warlord character..."

Chaos Lord is a specific type of Chaos Space Marine Lord. ?They aren't the same thing at all.
Precisely; where ever the "generic" is meant in the list, it should be "Chaos Space Marine Lord", not "Chaos Lord", which is a specific sub-type of "Chaos Space Marine Lord". ?

Does that make sense?
Author:  Lord Inquisitor [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:06 pm ]
Post subject:  CSM typos

(Chroma @ Jul. 10 2007,14:03)
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As to the Chaos Warlord, again, I'd remove the word "upgrade" from it and simply have, "One Chaos Space Marine Lord *must* be replaced with a Chaos Warlord character..."

Nope! No good - that's also confusing  :;): . Remember, the Chaos Warlord IS a Chaos Space Marine Lord.

Believe me - I've gone through this very carefully for the chaos sublists. The wording I've posted above is as watertight as I can make it.
Author:  Dave [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:09 pm ]
Post subject:  CSM typos
Is there a time frame on this?  I could take a look sometime later this week to see what I can find but if you were planning on getting it through today or tomorrow I'll wait until the next turnover.
Author:  pixelgeek [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:11 pm ]
Post subject:  CSM typos
All entries in the Formations list now say Chaos Space Marine Lord.

The CSM Lord entry now specifies that there can only be one Warlord in the army.

Dreadclaw added

Rhino fixed
Author:  Chroma [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:13 pm ]
Post subject:  CSM typos

(pixelgeek @ Jul. 10 2007,19:11)
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All entries in the Formations list now say Chaos Space Marine Lord.

Are they listed as "upgrades" (which I don't think they should be) or "characters" in the actual army list?
Author:  pixelgeek [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:14 pm ]
Post subject:  CSM typos
Added IL's wording for BL 2.1.1 and referenced it in the CSM Lord entry
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