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 Post subject: [fanlist] Red Corsairs (or general Chaos Marines)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:15 pm 
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So why not take these 4 Chaos Dreadnoughts and stick them in a separate formation?


Because it doesn't enhance the theme of the list, and in fact detracts from and muddies the theme.

The list has enough (perhaps too many) formation types already, please remove this one.




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 Post subject: [fanlist] Red Corsairs (or general Chaos Marines)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:26 pm 
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"To many formations" is an argument. Another is that if i remove the Damnators the Support Formations entry will end with a red entry instead of a transparent one which will look better  :cool:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:30 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Sep. 23 2009, 16:26 )

"To many formations" is an argument. Another is that if i remove the Damnators the Support Formations entry will end with a red entry instead of a transparent one which will look better  :cool:

That is a patently silly argument.  :)

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 Post subject: [fanlist] Red Corsairs (or general Chaos Marines)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:37 pm 
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But it is an argument nonetheless  :cool:

So. Any issues with the points cost?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:42 pm 
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ Sep. 23 2009, 16:30 )

Quote: (BlackLegion @ Sep. 23 2009, 16:26 )

"To many formations" is an argument. Another is that if i remove the Damnators the Support Formations entry will end with a red entry instead of a transparent one which will look better  :cool:

That is a patently silly argument.  :)

Nonsense! Red lists finish faster!





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 Post subject: [fanlist] Red Corsairs (or general Chaos Marines)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:30 pm 
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Red Corsairs V3.18 uploaded (see attachment in the first posting).

Change log:
- Damnators Assault Force removed
- all reference sheets added
- removed Twin-linked from Blight Drones Reaper Autocannon

Enjoy and discuss :)

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:22 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Sep. 23 2009, 20:30 )

Enjoy and discuss :)

You're back to two pages of army list...

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 Post subject: [fanlist] Red Corsairs (or general Chaos Marines)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:43 pm 
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I know but with the same font size and layout as in the rulebook it can't get otherwise.
But it isn't that bad. If you print both sides of a sheet you can get the armylist and the reference sheet on two sheets of paper.

Edit: Just noticed that the top of the second reference sheet was visible on page three. I corrected this and loaded up the correct version.




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 Post subject: [fanlist] Red Corsairs (or general Chaos Marines)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:36 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Sep. 23 2009, 21:43 )

I know but with the same font size and layout as in the rulebook it can't get otherwise.

Considering different army lists use different sized fonts in both the core rulebook and Swordwind, not sure which "font size" you're refering to.

And there is no "Chaos Marine" layout in any of the books; each of the armies has their own layout.  You seem to be following the "Imperial Guard" layout with your Chaos Marines...  :laugh:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:57 pm 
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Core rulenook has all in the same font sized. Didn't compare Swordwind though. But Eldar seem to be smaller hmm...ok i will resize it to one page.

And look what i found:

Little nice thing from Forgeworld:
Nurgle Plague Hulk
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/plaguehulk.htm

Experimental rules:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/pdf/plaguehulk.pdf

My proposed stats for Epic:

Plague Hulk
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 15cm 3+ 4+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Rancid Vomit 15cm AP3+ Ignore Cover, Disrupt
Rot Cannon 30cm AP5+/AT6+ -
Battle Claws (base contact) Assault Weapons Macro-weapon, Extra Attacks (+1)

Notes: Fearless, Invulnerable Save, Walker.




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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:06 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Sep. 24 2009, 15:57 )

Core rulenook has all in the same font sized. Didn't compare Swordwind though. But Eldar seem to be smaller hmm...ok i will resize it to one page.

Actually, sorry to nit-pick, but the Orks have a smaller font than the Imperial lists (8pt. vs 9pt.) and the Eldar list is 7pt... so, it's all good!   :agree:


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And look what i found:


Very nasty... but shouldn't something that obviously Nurgle belong in a more Nurgle-themed list?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:08 pm 
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No Plague Hulk please.

I don't want the cool elements of this list being lost to kitchen sink syndrome.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:32 pm 
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As i expected...and why i posted it first in the Death Guard thread  :D

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2-Page layout now uploaded in attachment of the first posting.
I guess now you need a magnifying glass for the reference sheet  :p

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Don't like the new all-colour look of the document. Firstly, black-on-red is too low-contrast and is difficult to read. That'll be even worse if the document is printed in black and white. White-on-black would be easier to read, but wouldn't look very good.

I think the reference sheet is too small with everything squeezed onto one page. The Imperial Guard and Space Marine reference sheets in the printed rulebook only fit onto one page because they spin the aircraft and titans onto another page, and this list has more troop types than either of those. The army list is fine on a single page, though.

The document is needlessly graphically-intensive. The black-and white version of the full document was looking pretty sharp and professional, as well as being easier on printers, and the contrast of black text on a white background is very readable. Plus for some reason there are white gaps where areas of colour don't quite meet up properly (see attached image). This occurs in Adobe Reader, but it's worse in Evince.

Can't say I'm keen on the 'Hounds Squadron' formation. I thought 'Bike Retinue' was fine.

A couple of typos: On the reference sheet, you've got "CHAOS TINTAN LEGION" instead of "CHAOS TITAN LEGION". And you've listed the Red Corsairs strategy rating as "n/a" rather than 4. I'm not sure I'd bother mentioning strategy rating for Titans and Aircraft at all, to be honest. I know it does in the E:A rulebook, but I don't think it would hurt to break with precedent here.

Splitting the Daemon Engines into separate formations was a good move. I'm not sure some of them aren't still under-priced, though. If their LatD prices are anything to go by, you could probably charge 50 more points for the Silver Towers and Defilers at least.

I like the restriction of the god-specific Daemon Engines to armies that also include Cult Marines. Restricts their availability to armies where they're appropriate, without overcrowding the 1/3 support allowance.




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