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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:49 pm 
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So how does other peaople like the combo Plasma Destructor, Titan Close Combat Weapon and two Inferno Guns or two Vulcan Megabolter for the Chaos Warlord Titan?
Cost will be 825pts (Inspiring will be removed).

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:23 pm 
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Personally, I'd have preferred the Volcano Cannon to the Plasma Destructor, partly for ease of modelling, partly because it would bring the points cost down to 800, and partly because I have an irrational dislike of slow-firing plasma weapons. None of which are particularly valid objections, so sure, go for it.




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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:03 pm 
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So Blight Drone stats seems to be this:
BS2 F12 S11 R10
1-3 per unit, fast attack for Daemons, or Marines with at least 1 unit of Plague Marines
Fast skimmer

Weapons:
Mawcannon (vomit or phlegm, see Soul Grinder for stats)
Twin Reaper Autocannon

Special rules:
Daemonic
Explosion of Puss (Destroyed - Wrecked is treated as Destroyed - Explodes when a drone is damaged as it bursts apart)


Im inclined to drop the phlegm part of the Mawcannon (the Battlecannon equivalent) and only keep the vomit so 15cm AP5+ Ignore Cover. This makes the Blight Drone very similar to the Land Speeder so i would give it an Ignore Covver base-FF value and Scout too.

So stats would be:
Blight Drone
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 35cm 5+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Maw Cannon 15cm AP4+ and Ignore Cover
                            Small Arms Ignore Cover
Twin Reaper Autocannon 30cm AP3+/AT5+ -

Notes: Invulnerable Save, Fearless, Scout, Skimmer. The Maw Cannon can shoot and be used to confer the Ignore Cover ability to the unit's firefight value..


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:05 pm 
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Can you remind us what the Soul Grinder's Mawcannon stat is?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:09 pm 
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Vomit
Range Flames, Strength 6, ArmourPiercing 4, Assault 1

Phlegm
Range 36", Strength 8, ArmourPiercing 3, Assault 1, 5"Template

Tongue
Range: 24", Strength 10, ArmourPiercing 1, Assault 1




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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:18 pm 
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Interesting bit about Blood Slaughterers:
A note on blood slaughters, they are a heavy support option for a chaos daemon army or an CSm army that includes a unit of Khorne Berzekrers. It can take a weapon which is similar to the lash of submission. Roll to hit as normal (on BS1 WTF!!! and move the target 2d6 directly towards the blood slaughter. Can be used on models of dreadnaught size or less


So it may have no fleet of foot but this ability could quite translate to Infiltrators in Epic.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:29 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 22 Aug. 2009, 19:18 )

Interesting bit about Blood Slaughterers:
A note on blood slaughters, they are a heavy support option for a chaos daemon army or an CSm army that includes a unit of Khorne Berzekrers. It can take a weapon which is similar to the lash of submission. Roll to hit as normal (on BS1 WTF!!! and move the target 2d6 directly towards the blood slaughter. Can be used on models of dreadnaught size or less


So it may have no fleet of foot but this ability could quite translate to Infiltrators in Epic.

The standard design model and Apoc's version of it doesn't have this though. I think this is a rules nod back to the crappy old version should anyone still have and use one rather than something we should represent in epic.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:40 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 22 Aug. 2009, 19:09 )

Vomit
Range Flames, Strength 6, ArmourPiercing 4, Assault 1

Phlegm
Range 36", Strength 8, ArmourPiercing 3, Assault 1, 5"Template

The Vomit should simply be incorporated into the Firefight stat.

The 'Phlegm' attack is clearly a Battlecannon with a shorter range, that can move and shoot.

So:

Mawcannon: AP4+/AT4+, 30cm range and Small Arms




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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:51 pm 
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@GlynG: Might be true. Welllets see if it has Fleet of Foot or not.

@E&C The Vomit is a Heavy Flamer which is 15cm AP4+ Ignore Cover in Epic only with +1 Strength. So a 15cm shooting attack is justified.
The Phlegnm isn't an Ordenance weapon so it is slightly inferior in penetrating a vehicles armour so it should have AT4+/AT5+.

In the current stats i incorporated this twoprofile sinone as i was under the premission that the Blight Drone has both. Now it seems it can choose only one or the other Mawcannon profile.
And it find it fitting as the Chaos mirror of the Space Marine Land Speeder so my proposed new profile :)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:57 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 22 Aug. 2009, 19:51 )

@E&C The Vomit is a Heavy Flamer which is 15cm AP4+ Ignore Cover in Epic only with +1 Strength. So a 15cm shooting attack is justified.

I don't think it needs 3 ranged attacks.
The Phlegnm isn't an Ordenance weapon so it is slightly inferior in penetrating a vehicles armour so it should have AT4+/AT5+.

Makes sense to me.

In the current stats i incorporated this twoprofile sinone as i was under the premission that the Blight Drone has both. Now it seems it can choose only one or the other Mawcannon profile.
Wouldn't the OR in the Warhammer 40,000 profile tend to imply that you choose what mode to fire in when you shoot?




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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:04 pm 
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I have only the information quoted. So no idea if it can choose each turn which mode to fire or if it has to shoose one mode bevore play.

And yes it doesn't need 3 shooting weapons only 2 will do as the current stats andmy new proposal have. Don't know where you see that i proposed 3 shooting attacks for the Blight Drone.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:07 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 22 Aug. 2009, 20:04 )

I have only the information quoted. So no idea if it can choose each turn which mode to fire or if it has to shoose one mode bevore play.

And yes it doesn't need 3 shooting weapons only 2 will do as the current stats andmy new proposal have. Don't know where you see that i proposed 3 shooting attacks for the Blight Drone.

Well you proposed a 15cm shot for the flame template weapon, and then ignored the battlecannon weapon.

I'd say you should wrap the flame template weapon into the FF stat (with ignore cover if you wish) and properly include the battlecannon weapon, which is the more notable of the two at range.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:12 pm 
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The 15cm range Vomit mimics the Multi-meltas range on the Land Speeder.
Both Blight Drone and Land Speeder are Fast Skimmers in Wh40k.
Both could fill in similar roles (fast scouting harassment units).
The difference is that the Blight Drone is heavier armored and has a secondary weapon.

Dropping the Phlegm just emphasies the similarity.




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Why do they need to function in the same way? Both are very different beasts and the Blight Drones are primarily a traitor guard units anyway.


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Dropping the Phlegm just emphasies the similarity.


Why would you want it to be similar to a Land Speeder, instead of wanting it to propoerly represent what a Blight Drone actually is?

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