Well I asked Dobbsy that if I removed the Bloodgors, if he would remove the Renegades. The answer was no.

Now if Dobbsy will not say it, then I will. I do not blame Dobbsy. I have no ill-feeling towards him as he is sticking up for his own view on the direction of the World Eaters. He also respects mine and has been a gentlemqan throughout our dealings. It will not effect our interactions at tournaments or the odd game - as a matter of a fact, I welcome them.  

What I am dissapointed at is the NetEA. I am dissapointed at how they will hold a development to ransom for no reason other than the potential for two lists to divide a mythical playtest group of zero people.  

Here are the guidlines I went by as detailed by the NetEA (although they have the NetERC mentioned as a mistake):

Being Army Champion and finishing lists  

1. The list needs to be final, that there isn't anything to add or remove or change. Meaning essentially that you think it's ready to be left as-is for one full year AND that you are willing to stand firm on "no changes" until approaching that end point.

2. Once you've asked the NetERC to ratify it the result can be
a) Pass as is.
b) NetERC requests modifications to be done to the list if they have reservations about it. After this it would pass.
c) NetERC can refuse to ratify if the list seems to be too unbalanced or seems still partially done. NetERC should give some reasons on why they believed this to be the case. After this the list should be playtested more and updated as seemed necessary. After reasonable time has passed and list modified to fix problems that were raised, you can ask the ratification process to be done once more.

So w3hat part of the process required have I failed to have a list considerred for approval where it will remain for a time before being ratified?

The fact that my development is literally being held to ransom against another list that has gone through 3+ revisions with no testing is beyond me. I have a right for the list to be judged fairly as per the guidlines given.

Why is it that the NetEA now shows an interest only after I reach completion towards a submission. Where was the NetEA for as full year to help guide and bring up these issues before I spent a year of my life dedicated to a list that no-one played? What has anyone else ever done to gain interest to this level in the World Eaters for appropriate recognition and understanding to be given.

I also have an interest in the other 3 cult lists. I have purposely stayed away from developing rival lists to the Death Guard and Thousand Sons, even though I feel I could improve on what they have. If I were to place my 'hat' forward and produce those ideas, would those people also be held to ransom on list design, being forced to work with me and potentially throw a years or more worth of work out the window?

It is not Steve54's fault either. He is new to the position, and I understand that everyone is a volunteer and has a personal life. As Chaos AC, I would like him to come forward and give his views on what he wants for the World Eaters. What are the gudlines? What are the restrictions? How are Dobbsy and I ever to resolve things without guidance?

I have placed too much effort to give this away. It would be good to be given credit where it is due to both Morgan and myself. If you (NetEA) have such strong feeling towards a collaboration, how about you all look at both lists and help us agree on the stats? How many more threads do I have to open to get opinions? If anything, I have been open and transparant throughout the whole development. So how about helping out?

As it is, this whole saga has made me physically sick, and mentally exhausted. As it is going the way it is, I am going to update the World Eater list, not in the format that you have it now, but with a radical new way of seeing the list (mostly from ideas of TRC and Morgan providing the format for how it will work). I truly hope the NetEA will learn from this debacle and start to take an interest (especially if they have such strong opinions) in the total development of the World Eaters and help us present something that will eventually be acceptable at tournaments.

At the end of the day, regardless of views, that is all Dobbsy and I want.

Re: the shooting thing. World Eaters did definitely used to have Heavy Support marines and normal Tactical Marines. See the official Horus Heresy

You do realise those pictures depict World Eaters in the white and blue?

The World Eater list being designed is not the pre-heresy design as depicted in those cards.

Yes obviously; but if they had squads like that before it's reasonable they would still have shooting squads now.

Just wondering anyone got the Audio CD Raven's Flight (Horus Heresy)?

I have mountains of 'fluff' that would state otherwise  

You should hoover more!  

I definitely think your list fits more as a Khorne warband, and that frees you up to return a couple of the removed units as well as solving the "two lists" issue. It'd still be nice if you and Dobbsy could agree stats for common units or at least rename units so they don't clash