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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:09 pm 
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(TheLimey @ Aug. 09 2007,09:52)
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The Desecrator version on the Death Guard list already does not have the 1BP, and instead has a AA value.

This is a fan created variant though is it not?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:51 pm 
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(nealhunt @ Aug. 09 2007,16:30)
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If I'm not mistaken, the rumors are also that the 40K CSM Codex removes the indirect fire option from the Defiler battlecannon in order to reinforce its direct-support/charge-into-combat background.

*Checks his Chaos Codex*

Yep, it's just a normal Battlecannon now.

It is faster however (Fleet) and is better in close combat.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:57 pm 
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Where do you all get the new Chaos Codex this soon???

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:17 pm 
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I was up at GW HQ last week for an interview; They gave me a chaos codex instead of a job.  ???

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:21 pm 
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Ehm....strange. I guess they wouldn't want to be infiltrated by Epic fans because they fear they would make Epic a main system again :D

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:43 pm 
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OK, so what do we do, remove the BP, up the speed to 30cm, and beef up the CC stat. Sounds easy to me..

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What use would it have then?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:12 pm 
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CC-Monster obviously. To me thats what a daemon engines embodies: a mechanical beast riping apart unfortunate beings which are cought in its way :)

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Give them infiltrate as well?

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You really don't want a 30cm moving unit with Infiltrate.

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Keep them at 15cm and give them infiltrate?

I'm just throwing out ideas right now.  :;):




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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:02 pm 
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ok, here's my vote:

15cm - armour 4+, CC 3+, FF 3+

Rest is the same, but add infiltrate.

Points - Maybe keep the same?

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Yes keeping 15cm is handy for garrisoning, with infiltrate it gets the important boost I think.

AV, move 15cm, save 4+, CC 4+, FF 4+
Battle Cannon 75cm AP4+/AT4+
Twin Lascannon 45cm AT4+
Heavy Flamer 15cm AP4+ Ignore Cover and (15cm) Small Arms, Ignore Cover
Battle Claws (base) Assault Weapon Extra Attacks(+2), Macro Weapon
Notes: Fearless. Invulnerable Save. Walker. Infiltrate.

75 points
Or drop CC to 5+ and have points 50-65

Comparison unit has to be Dreadnought in the list - so how does it compare?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:08 am 
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Yikes! Why am I going to do my converted defilers now... no more artillery for chaos, seems like I have to get those aircraft then :[
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:59 am 
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I have 5 defilers (picture can be found at Epicomp Battleforce) and I have been using them as either Traitor Flak or Nurgle Desecrators, but I could give them a try with those TRC:s proposals.

How should you use them? Give 2-3 to garrisoning Retinue plus 1-2 Dreds (to get cover for everybody) with obli? Then

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