Login |  Register |  FAQ
   
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 2 of 4
  [ 56 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
Evil and Chaos
 Post subject: Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:08 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 05, 2006 2:57 am
Posts: 20887
Location: Harrogate, Yorkshire
When I play my BL army my opponents almost always have good anti-WE formations


Do your opponents know who they're playing beforehand, and tailor their list accordingly, or is there just a preponderance of anti-WE in your area?

I'm edging into believing that Shadowswords should go up a little in price (Split them from Baneblades), but that's a whole different discussion.

_________________
Currently doing a plastic scenery kickstarter
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
nealhunt
 Post subject: Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:12 pm 
Purestrain
Purestrain

Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm
Posts: 9617
Location: Nashville, TN, USA
Ignore Cover and Disrupt is easily as ugly. Instead of killing units you are placing enough BMs to break the formation in one shot


It is still nasty but not as much as MW/IC.  I think the important point is that the unit is still on the board.  A kill (via MW) moves the unit 2 "notches" closer to breaking - lose one unit, gain one BM.  A disrupt BM only moves the unit 1 closer for the BM.

I'd say it depends on how much you want to downgrade them.  Personally, I think they only need modest changes, so MW/IC to IC/Disrupt might be enough for the Decimator and could leave the Feral as MW-only.

_________________
Neal
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
pixelgeek
 Post subject: Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:20 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 8:10 pm
Posts: 2642
Location: Edmonton, Alberta

(Evil and Chaos @ Mar. 03 2008,11:08)
QUOTE
Do your opponents know who they're playing beforehand, and tailor their list accordingly, or is there just a preponderance of anti-WE in your area?

Well if your army list had a Shadowsword in it why wouldn't you take it? its far too useful a unit. Same with the Eldar Scorpion.

Maybe we all like WEs up here but they get used a lot and we tend to assume that there will be Titans and WEs on the table and build to defend against that.

_________________
Guns don't break formations. Blast Markers break formations.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Evil and Chaos
 Post subject: Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:25 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 05, 2006 2:57 am
Posts: 20887
Location: Harrogate, Yorkshire
I took a Baneblade to the FSA tournament (Rulebook rules & Chaos lists only, no upgunned 'blade for me). :D

Okay I also had one Shadowsword, but I'm of the firm opinion that all units should be balanced and properly costed, so if a unit is too cheap or too powerful, I'm happy to help hit it with the Balance stick until it's fixed.




_________________
Currently doing a plastic scenery kickstarter
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Kleomenes
 Post subject: Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:02 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother

Joined: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:39 pm
Posts: 227
Seeing as the Decimator is the big cannon, and the feral is the flamethrower, surely the decimator should keep MW and the feral chance to IC? Seems counter intuitive to do it the other way

_________________
They are free, yes, but not entirely free; for they have a master, and that master is Law.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Evil and Chaos
 Post subject: Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:29 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 05, 2006 2:57 am
Posts: 20887
Location: Harrogate, Yorkshire
I'm not sure that the Decimator has ever been defined beyond 'proto-Baneblade'?

On the other hand, a Plaguereaper is definitely an ignore cover kind of tank.




_________________
Currently doing a plastic scenery kickstarter
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
pixelgeek
 Post subject: Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:38 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 8:10 pm
Posts: 2642
Location: Edmonton, Alberta

(Evil and Chaos @ Mar. 03 2008,12:29)
QUOTE
I'm not sure that the Decimator has ever been defined beyond 'proto-Baneblade'?

I think more of a proto-shadowsword but it is indeed just an idea that Jervis had that hasn't been polished that much

It is an old pattern of SHT that Abbadon stole and is using. Its no longer in production on any Imperial world

_________________
Guns don't break formations. Blast Markers break formations.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Soren
 Post subject: Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:18 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother

Joined: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:42 am
Posts: 694
Location: Austria
The Feral count reminds me on the thing we had with the Marines while they took 4 Warhounds. Most lists here take 3 Ferals (which are awful MUCH better), but nobody cries about them, despite the MW templates etc?

I am wondering to be honest.




_________________
Attrition is the proof of absence of Strategy
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
zombocom
 Post subject: Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:23 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:49 am
Posts: 5569
Nobody cries about the ferals? Not true, I've never been happy with them.

As you've said, Ferals are a no brainer atm, everyone takes as many as they can. They're just too good for the points. Lose the macro ASAP.

_________________
http://www.troublemakergames.co.uk/
Epic: Hive Development Thread
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Soren
 Post subject: Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:25 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother

Joined: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:42 am
Posts: 694
Location: Austria
Oh, good to see someone else also worried about them. I thought only me gets ravaged by them regulary.

_________________
Attrition is the proof of absence of Strategy
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Nicodemus
 Post subject: Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:39 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:27 pm
Posts: 451
Location: Finland
2-3 has been quite mandatory load of Ferals and 2 lone Decimators, then macrobarrage your enemy back to stone age. Fast macrobarrage is too good not to take.

Why not just replace Feral with Chaos Warhound? Maybe give him 2 optional weapon configurations?

_________________
Eradication of Earth's
Population loves Polaris
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
zombocom
 Post subject: Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:25 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:49 am
Posts: 5569
If only!

_________________
http://www.troublemakergames.co.uk/
Epic: Hive Development Thread
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Magarch
 Post subject: Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:22 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother

Joined: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:16 pm
Posts: 81
Location: Belgium
Honestly, I never understood why using Khorne dedicated titans for a Black Legion army...It would make more sense to use "plain" Chaos Warhounds, Reavers and Warlords. Just use for those the same as the Imperium, it's much much simpler that way (as well for the tests).
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Ginger
 Post subject: Decimators, Ferals and Death Wheels
PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:33 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:20 pm
Posts: 5483
Location: London, UK
Regarding Ferals and specifically the FXF Battle head in assaults, how do people find this working? What problems does it cause?

While "apparently "Fluffy", this works outside the normal assault mechanics that do not recognise fighting arcs as such - is this a good thing to be used elsewhere, or an unwanted layer of complexity that should be replaced?

_________________
"Play up and play the game"

Vitai lampada
Sir Hemry Newbolt
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 2 of 4
  [ 56 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


Powered by phpBB ® Forum Software © phpBB Group
CoDFaction Style by Daniel St. Jules of Gamexe.net