20cm is still very slow in epic terms though. At it's current stats and cost I don't think I'd ever choose to take a Plague Tower. It's just too slow to work as a transport unless is spends most of the game marching or doubling and then it's firepower is wasted. As an assault transport it's too slow to get close enough in time and is easily avoided. I'd choose Contagion Engines (garrisoned on overwatch in range to fire) over it every time. At 20cm I would take it though.
Baneblades, Machariuses and Gorgons are all described in the background as being particularly slow and their background stats give similar speeds (18 kilometers per hour off-road for the Baneblade and Macharius, 19 kilometers per hour for the Gorgon) but the Gorgon has been given 20cm move rather than 15cm so that it is decently usable as a transport in epic.
Giving the Plague Tower +5cm move is a huge boost. Don't then reduce the cost at the same time then though! It doesn't need that as well. Test is a lot as is and it should be fine I reckon.
Can you adopt the undivided daemon summoning rules from the Black Legion list? Specifically Undivided formations being able to summon daemons of any faction but each god specific lesser daemon costs 2 to summon not 1 (greater deamons same cost).
Maybe add a +50 point upgrade along the lines of the chaos champion from the BL list whereby you can sacrifice the unit (remove it) to automatically bring on a Greater Demon in it's place? Rather than a champion these could be a unit called 'Sacrifices', brought along to be ritually killed (chaos do this a lot in the background / BL novels), without having any offensive capability of their own.
Please give the 'Technical' a better name! I didn't know what the heck it was when I saw it listed in the army list and guessed it would be some kind of Cultist Tech-Priest, but I see it's an AA unit, Could you name the unit in some way that either suggests AA, sounds chaos-y or ideally both?
Altars slowing down their formations is definitely an issue. Please could they have alternate stats whereby they can choose to drop to 5+ Reinforced Armour in exchange for 20cm move? (perhaps even 25cm) The Daemon Price does similar depending if it taken with wings or not. There's no reason an Altar couldn't be on some giant motorised carriage or pulled by dozens of beasts of burden or whatever so faster than walking pace shouldn't be unreasonable. The two stats could make Altars more suited to the different gods – a nurgle altar being slow and tough, while a Slaanesh one is faster but lighter.
uvenlord wrote:
didn't know the FW daemons were modeled after Epic ones.
I always thought they were part of their ortinary "tru scale" thing. Anyway the Great Unclean One has more DC then a Warhound Titan, surely the FW warhound would be much larger then the Bloodthirster in your picture?. And if you look at the daemon prince that model is as big as the Greater daemon but is only an ordinary "infantry" slot...
To me the sizes in Epic is very much depending on how good the model will look, not as much how realistic the measurements is.
Forge World just make their models in a consistent scale, seems the best way to me. There have clearly been two sizes/types of Greater Daemon for decades though, it's not anything new. The original 40k Greater Daemons from the 80s are roughly twice the size of a man. When they made Epic ones they did them at more like 5 times the height/width and made them similarly way more powerful compared to other units than the smaller 40k ones (they were pretty darn unkillable in 2nd edition epic with the chaos cards mechanic keeping them alive). Epic Greater Daemons have always been the larger hugely powerful versions, as now represented by their 3DC WE stats and though a smaller 40k variety GD could fit fine that's really irrelevant for the epic list and transport discussion as that's not what the Epic GD stats represent. Incidentally I eventually found a
comparison photo of a FW Greater Demon and a Warhound. The Warhound is definitely bigger (though the Bloothirster Lord costs more points in 40k) and might be tougher due to daemonic power/resilience.
