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Fan-List. Heavy Mechanised IG.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:18 am 
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Ohh you break my heart pixel geek, here I was thinking it was a masterpiece :'(
Feedback noted (again) Jimmy! I might actually act on it one of these days... ;D

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Regardless, I at least have Vassal 1.54 set up to have all the perquisite units!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:36 am 
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My thoughts on this. :) The list needs less/no Chimeras in order to keep the theme and to make it stand out compared to other lists. From a fluff point of view can you honestly imagine an IG Commander, or SC, having fought their way up the chain of command opting to go to war in a Chimera instead of a Crassus?! :D I would even go so far as to remove all Chimera and Leman Russ options from the list to keep the emphasis on heavy tanks. I'd keep Salamanders as it makes sense that they'd be scouts and keep Centaurs for specialised operations.

Anyway, I'm enjoying the thread and seeing where this list goes. :)

Btw, I'm not a search bot just a very long time lurker with an interest in the Heavy Mech list. :)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:57 am 
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At the top of the previous page, you said that the companies are core + 1-3 platoons for 2-4 platoons total. But in the v0.8 PDF, it says clearly and in multiple locations that the companies are core + 2-3 platoons for 3-4 platoons total.

Which is it? 450 points for a bare-minimum Heavy Mech Company and 550 points if you want 2 infantry platoons seems like a fairly extreme restriction to pose on the list.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:37 pm 
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Hi! I'm using the pandemic time in building a Heavy Mech Army and with the "new" changes on the Hellhounds cost, i'm wondering if this will apply to Heavy Mech.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:25 pm 
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I hope this list is still in development. The thread seems quiet, but this forum doesn't seem to move at lightspeed either. I think the flavor of the list is great and the pick and mix design makes it much easier to get units that are usually formation upgrades onto the table.

Looking through the list I have a mix of possible typos that I thought I should highlight and questions about the overall design of the list regarding unit choices. I hope this is useful feedback! Comments/questions are numbered for ease of reference.

1: In an earlier post you said that requiring heavy mech companies to take 2-3 additional platoons was a typo, and it should be 1-3. Is that true of heavy tank companies as well?

2: Just wanted to clarify whether the Hellhound Platoon is supposed to be 100 points like you said in the thread or 150 like it says on the army list.

3: The Devil dog melta cannon and destroyer tank hunter weapons are both listed as ATx+, MW, with no AP value. According to the tournament pack rules, MW shooting attacks just have a MWx+ value. With the devil dog I think it might just be a typo, since the multi melta has identical AT5+, MW stats. I'm not sure about the Destroyer tank hunter though.

4: Following up on that, the melta cannon seems a little anemic for being the only blast melta weapon in the 7th edition ruleset. Making it just a multi-melta with longer range seems lacking to me. Maybe MW4+, since it's a little easier to vaporize your foes with a melta blast than a single shot ala the multi melta?

5: Following up again, I think the destroyer's Laser destroyer should be AT3+, lance. Making it a macro weapon that follows the tourney pack rules doesn't seem right, because a laser destroyer is a lascannon on steroids and lascannons have no AP value.

6: Finally moving to a new thought, I'd like to suggest unit swaps to keep the theme of the list more distinctly "heavy armor". I agree with previous posts that chimeras seem out of place in this list. What about replacing them with Dracosan Armored Transports? They're techically from the Horus Heresy rules, but they fit the theme you're after. The Australian Heresy rules have them as DC2 WEs, so they might need to have their stats massaged, but it seems like they'd fit the "heavy mech" theme better than chimeras and still give an alternative to Crassiuses (Crassii?)

7: In that same vein, I'd suggest swapping the leman russes with Malcadors from the Vraks list. The basic malcador is identical to the Russ but 15cm move, and in the 28mm game had the option to upgrade the hull heavy bolter to a demolisher cannon. The variants come with demolisher cannons by default, and either have 3x twin heavy bolters or a twin lascannon and two singles. I think going with Malcadors might enhance the feel of heavy armor and make the list a little more distinct in that regard, especially if you give the default malcador a hull demolisher cannon. This might call for adjusting points costs of the tank platoon and squadron though.

8: Why is the stormtrooper formation named "Tempestus Scions," but the description says six Stormtroopers? The unit stats also refers to them as stormtroopers. I'd stick with one name or the other.

9: If you elect to stick with chimeras rather than dracosans, I'd remove the ability to put Ogryns in chimeras. Part of the tabletop fluff was that Ogryns were scared of dark enclosed spaces like Chimeras and refused to ride in them. This is purely a fluff concern though, so I'm not sure it's that important.

10: Is there a reason the Vulcan Mega Bolter version of the Macharius is command tank only? I know vanquisher cannons are rare in the fluff, which is partially why those versions of Russes/Machariuses are limited, but I didn't think Mega bolters were that rare. It might be a balance problem I'm not seeing.


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