Indeed. There should actually be a loader in there as well for the autocannon
I personally like 3 weapons giving 2 shots, after all the guard aren't that keen on accuracy
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: True Steel Legion |
A Fire Support Squad in the Imperial Guard are 6 guys forming 3 weapon teams with one heavy weapon per team. I'm ok with the transport capacity change. |
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| Author: | The_Real_Chris [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: True Steel Legion |
Yes but in Epic its clearly a section with 3 heavy weapons. So the FS upgrade in the standard steel legion is 4 squads. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: True Steel Legion |
It's not about the upgrade. It's about the Command Platoon. In the last (not current) Codex iMperial Guard a Company Command Platroon constisted of one Command unit and 0-5 choices from this list: 0-2 Fire Support Squads (with 3 Heavy Bolter and/or Autocanons per Squad) 0-2 Anti Tank Squads (with 3 Lascannons and/or Missile Launcher per Squad) 0-2 Mortar Squads (3 Mortars each) 0-1 Sentinel Squadron (1-3 Sentinels) 0-2 Special Weapon Squads (up to 3 Flamers/Meltaguns/Grenade Launchers/Demolishion Charges/SniperRufles. For simplicity i treated the first three as Fire Support units in Epic and attached 5 of them, (5 choices) to the Supreme Commander unit to form the Command Platoon. |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: True Steel Legion |
Quote: The official, still available fire support models have 3 men per stand. Actually, don't the missile launchers have 2 men per launcher, making a total of 5? (BTW I don't actually care, heh). |
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| Author: | Chroma [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: True Steel Legion |
Rug wrote: Gah! I thought they were guys with grenade launchers on either side of the Autocannon! If they are indeed missile launchers with 2 crew each everyone should disregard my last post! I *really* don't think we should be basing (no pun intended) the transport sizes of models based on the number of models on the stand, *especially* the GW Fire Support model as, technically, since each one of these things is *ONE* model, you'd need at least three on a base to be a valid unit... *laugh* Since the unit has "two shots", I think it's pretty safe to assume it's two "fire teams", perhaps with a comm or other support person, making up the unit. |
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| Author: | The_Real_Chris [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: True Steel Legion |
Indeed. There should actually be a loader in there as well for the autocannon I personally like 3 weapons giving 2 shots, after all the guard aren't that keen on accuracy
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| Author: | Chroma [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: True Steel Legion |
The_Real_Chris wrote: I personally like 3 weapons giving 2 shots, after all the guard aren't that keen on accuracy Those shots are still only hitting on a 5+/6+... I don't call that accurate, especially as it's a hail of fire from an automatic weapon!
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| Author: | The_Real_Chris [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: True Steel Legion |
No. As I see Epic as an abstraction for the steel legion somewhat. Of course if you want that sort of thing you can do it, but the chimera is a nifty tank for 25 points and you need to look at the fact that formation is highly unlikely to be slowed down from losses! |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: True Steel Legion |
Well it's the HQ formation. It should be somewhat elite
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: True Steel Legion |
Ok some ideas for the HQ: It makes no sense that the Comander of an Infantry Company is the Supreme Commander of the whole army. Why should a Tank Company Commander take orders froman Infantry Company Commander? Both should be of equal rank. Solution: Steel Legion Command Platoon gets only a Commander unit. The Commander unit can be upgraded to a Supreme Commander unit (representing the Regiment Commander) OR the whole Command Platoon can be replaced with a Leviathan (which also has the Supreme Commander ability). Something like this: Steel Legion Command Platoon*. Cost 450pts Upgrade: 0 -1 Regimental HQ (only for Command Platoon) Replace the Commander unit with a Supreme Commander unit. Cost: +50pts OR Replace the formation with a Leviathan Command Centre. Cost: Free *If really fluff nutty you could have one Command Platoon for every 2-6 Mechanised Infantry Platoons. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: True Steel Legion |
So i did the aforementioned changes with some modifications: Command Platoon isnow with aCommander only not a Supreme Commander. Cost decreased to 400pts. Upgrade which can only be taken for this formation which exchanges the Commander unit for a Supreme Commander unit for +100pts OR the whole fornmation for a Leviathan Command Centre for free. |
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