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Death Korps of Krieg v1.8
Evil and Chaos
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:33 pm 
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DKoK will be attacking armies without titan support,


Who says that?

The DKoK will certainly be facing Titans in Imperial Armour 5.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:41 pm 
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(Evil and Chaos @ Mar. 20 2007,14:33)
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DKoK will be attacking armies without titan support,


Who says that?

The DKoK will certainly be facing Titans in Imperial Armour 5.

I did  :D .

I have based my asumption on what I know from swordwind.

Baran don't have titans because titans are not used in static defense.

Baran are a static defense force

Therefore the DK will be attacking Baran like armies without titan support.

True in a tornament situation or in friendly games they might constantly come across AMTL and OGBM and nothing else.  But backgroundwise they wont and the list should be built around the background.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:48 pm 
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Barrans don't have Titans because they're a PDF... a very low-tech army with very few resources.

In the background, the Death Korps have a history of attacking Chaos armies / traitor armies, due to their history (A partial revolt which took 500 years to eradicate) they are particularly fanatical in attacking such enemies.

And that means they often face Daemon Engines and traitor Titans.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:55 pm 
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I thought Barran (to finally spell their name right  :p ) were a guard regiment, it is just that the historic campaign took place on their homeworld.  If I was a mad tech adapt (like Vanvlak) I wouldn't trust any superheavies to a PDF regiment.  Especailly one that makes its own tanks (Ragnaroks).

And though I agree with you that Kriegians are fanatical in chasing and destroying forces of Chaos, they wont always have all of the tools to do it.

A Krieg Tank regiment would have access to Shadowswords (like any other tank regiment does), but not a siege breaker.  They might have one or two held in reserve, incase the enemy has some titans hiding in the final citadel.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:07 pm 
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If you read the Swordwind book, you'll find that the Barrans were once a siege-type army from Krieg (Many generations ago).

However once they took the planet of Barran they settled down, and had to adopt many low-tech solutions in order to continue fighting (Like using Land Crawlers instead of purpose-built towage vehicles). Effectively the Barran siegemasters are a PDF, which never conducts wars off-planet (Instead it just fights against the Feral Orks of Barran).

However, even in their low-tech squalor, Barrans still get Deathstrikes, Baneblades and Shadowswords, all of which is normally regarded as high-tech Ad-Mech equipment.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:14 pm 
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Where does it say that?

I haven't bothered to reread the whole back story (which to me seems half finished since the Eldar never turned on the Humans), but the discription next to the army list says that it an army list for a Barran siege master Imperial guard army and can be used as a stand in to represent any other Imperial guard siege regiment.

However at the end of the day it is your own army list and if you believe that they should have all four SHTs then go right ahead, I've just come here to mutter incoherantly.  Besides I'm going to do much worst damage to existing canon when I finsih my SM chapter list.  It turns out my boyz have more Land speeder tempests then everyone else put together, it is just nobody bothered asking them.  :D

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:51 pm 
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Hi. The Barrans are a pdf, I always assumed however one of two things. Either you were using my 'awful tech' houserules or at least the models (anything on a chimera hull is gone and replaced by older versions) or the army had been levied to fight offworld and been issued with more standardised hardware.

Alternatively assume its the generic list used by siege regiments in imperial service.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:03 am 
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I'd tend not to allow the Krieg list to have access to the Shadowswords. I'd picture the Shadowswords in the Barran Siegemasters as being items which were part of their forces when they colonized Barran, issued to them by the AdMech, which they've continued to use since then. Since Barran is a relatively static army it's not as hard for them to arrange for the handful they might have (say 10-15 for the entire planet) to be moved to the places they need to be when they need to be there. For a group like Krieg which is very offense-oriented, they're much less likely to be able to maintain and move these pieces efficiently. They're also less vital to their primary role of taking ground as opposed to defending it. Baneblades are the quintessential backbone of the IG Superheavies, designed to take ground by sheer weight of fire and mass. Shadowswords are more static long-range support for purpose built situations. The main reason I picture the Steel Legion having them is that Armageddon is a massive manufacturing world, and the AdMech have a huge investment in its welfare, which makes it worth it to them to distribute these massive tanks to them on a regular basis.
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I'd like to also say for style reasons I never take shadowswords with siegers as it offends my asthetic.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:07 pm 
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That's the thing... I doubt I'd ever take Shadowswords ever... but on fluff grounds they really should be there (The Death Korps certainly has access to them!).


I also don't think it would be a bad thing to find stats for the other two super-heavies that people consider 'equal' to the two SG super-heavies (Note also that I've included the normal up-gunned Baneblade proposal in the DK list).

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:50 pm 
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For your baneblade what do incidentally think about the 'mega/super/winning/bonus' battlecannon, debate rages on about should it be MW4+ or 3+/3+

Also something I would like to see is the demolisher becoming small arms ignore cover as well. How would this impact on tank?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:58 pm 
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(The_Real_Chris @ Mar. 21 2007,11:50)
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For your baneblade what do incidentally think about the 'mega/super/winning/bonus' battlecannon, debate rages on about should it be MW4+ or 3+/3+

Also something I would like to see is the demolisher becoming small arms ignore cover as well. How would this impact on tank?

statwise I could see the Baneblade's main gun being AT3 rather than MW status.

Ignore Cover FF attack for the Demolisher has always seemed sensible to me as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:52 pm 
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Latest version:Version 1.85


Changes to 1.85:
- Changed Leman Russ Destroyer to AT4+ TK1
- Started the unit pictures revamp. (Lots of models painted by me are starting to permeate the document... more to come!)

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