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Urgent! SL changes
Evil and Chaos
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:23 pm 
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Maybe not but even at 100 they are competing with sentinels.... scout, can capture objectives...sentinels win!

Then there's zero reason not to drop the price of the cruiser to 100pts, and the battleship upgrade to ~75pts.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:24 pm 
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Or look at their stat's to make them interesting? Just a thought.....
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 Post subject: Re: Urgent! SL changes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:31 pm 
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Mephiston wrote:
Or look at their stat's to make them interesting? Just a thought.....

For a 300pt Emperor Battleship, I'd want a fair sized nuclear bomb. :-)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:26 pm 
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Evil and Chaos wrote:
Mephiston wrote:
Or look at their stat's to make them interesting? Just a thought.....

For a 300pt Emperor Battleship, I'd want a fair sized nuclear bomb. :-)

Maybe we can roll the Emperor BB across the gaming table and remoce as casualties any models that it knocks over?

On a more serious note I would take spacecraft at the moment- I am not convinced they can justify their current points costs. So if they were cheaper i would be more likely to take them.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:44 am 
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Tbolts: no, the SM change is because of SR5.

Warlord: hard to call, these size titans are not going to be common in tournament-size points armies, how will you know you've reached the right price? 825, 800, 775?

Spacecraft: good idea to move them to 1/3, not sure they're as bad as people say I just don't take them because I can't fit them in and generally like to have models on the board. The Lunar has a Shadowsword shot anywhere on the board and the orbital barrage (similar value as the pinpoint attack?). Compared to the Shadowsword and Deathstrikes at 200 (both have more shots/power on average, but can be countered and are 1/3 more expensive), I think it is very close. Maybe a reduction for the battleship.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:02 am 
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Kyrt wrote:
Tbolts: no, the SM change is because of SR5.

Warlord: hard to call, these size titans are not going to be common in tournament-size points armies, how will you know you've reached the right price? 825, 800, 775?

Spacecraft: good idea to move them to 1/3, not sure they're as bad as people say I just don't take them because I can't fit them in and generally like to have models on the board. The Lunar has a Shadowsword shot anywhere on the board and the orbital barrage (similar value as the pinpoint attack?). Compared to the Shadowsword and Deathstrikes at 200 (both have more shots/power on average, but can be countered and are 1/3 more expensive), I think it is very close. Maybe a reduction for the battleship.

I pretty much agree with Kyrt.

T/bolts don't need to change.
Whether a Warlord is 850 or 825 points, really doesn't make a difference so I say leave it as is.
I can certainly see a reduction for the battleship. Going to the 1/3 allies may help to see a few more ships being used which I reckon is good.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:04 am 
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Rug wrote:
Thoughts appreciated on the following:

If Warlords go to 825pts & T-Bolts to 175pts in the Codex Marines list, should SL follow suit?

Should the Spacecraft be moved into the Allies section where, arguably, it belongs? Along with some points changes this might make them more attractive.

If the costs changes are approved and accepted by the ERC then it should automatically follow suit in all Imperial lists as there the same EXACT units.

However I don't think T-Bolts need any changing at all. Warlords might be alright but I don't think 25 points is enough difference to be noticeable.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:08 am 
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but they're not the exact same unit
yes, their written stats are the same, but there are other stats, shown on the army list, which differ. one of them is Strategy Rating
the other, is Price.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:53 am 
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Angel_of_Caliban wrote:
If the costs changes are approved and accepted by the ERC then it should automatically follow suit in all Imperial lists as there the same EXACT units.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:30 am 
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And even if the SR was the same, that still doesn't mean the price has to be the same.

Different lists value the same things differently.
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Ulrik wrote:
And even if the SR was the same, that still doesn't mean the price has to be the same.

Different lists value the same things differently.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:06 pm 
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Like AoC, I'm of the view the costs should be the same across the lists.

Didn't you ask for Blood Angels Devestators to be made more expensive, so as to dissuade their use? :-)

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If you think they are worth 175 points in the SL list, change them.

Tbh I don't think 175 or 150 is going to make much difference as long as people take a single formation. And if TB spam (4 fms) isn't a problem there's probably no need for change in either lists.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:14 pm 
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Tbolt spam isn't a problem, I've never seen more than 2 formations in any list which wasn't playing CAPACAP.

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