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Elysian Air Units
Honda	Post subject: Elysian Air Units Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:27 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:44 pm Posts: 1891 Location: Katy, Republic of Texas	Ok, good thoughts. I will be looking at this tonight with the goal of having the updated list available by Friday (4/7) all things being equal. _________________ Honda "Remember Taros? We do" - 23rd Elysian Drop Regiment
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Legion 4	Post subject: Elysian Air Units Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:53 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36949 Location: Ohio - USA	Wild Weasel or Iron Hand mission/ability would increase an aircraft's ability to hit ADA/AAA/Flak units ... +1 to hit Flak ? _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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jfrazell	Post subject: Elysian Air Units Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:31 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:21 pm Posts: 144	I would be strongly opposed to a wild weasel sniper ability, unless that were the only option for the aircraft formation (ie the only thing it could do-no AAA, no ground attack).  It would become very specialized at that point and be more balanced. _________________ "Advance to the Rear!"
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Tactica

Post subject: Elysian Air Units Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:08 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241

Quote (The_Real_Chris @ 05 April 2006 (02:39)) AA 4+ is currently the preserve of bomber defences, no fighter including the eldar has it. This is interesting. Something I hadn't thought about previously. War Engine Bomber 5+ (Save based on emails and extensive marauder disscussions on old forum) I don't think 5+ is justified. Its slower than many other planes in 40K, it has 10 armor all the way around in 40K, it has the same survivability of every other Maurader bomber and bomber destroyer out there. The same flare and chaff launcher possibilities, etc. The ONLY way the 5+ would be warranted, is if we say the main books Maurader is wrong. In that case, I would then agree. (I always thought the main books maurader should have been a SHT and it should've had 5+ armor as well for the investment) 3 x Twin Autocannon, 45cm, AP4+/AT5+/AA6+, Fixed Forward Arc Twin Assault Cannon, 30cm, AP4+/AT4+/AA5+, Fixed Rear Arc (Note can shoot ground targets as per fluff) Twin Heavy Bolter, 15cm, AA5+, 360 degree Arc 3 x Twin Hellstrikes, 30cm, AT4+, Fixed Forward Arc Bombs, 15cm, 2BP, Fixed Forward Arc (as it has internal bomb bays) Notes: 2DC. Critical hit effect, the bombers control surfaces are damaged causing the craft to crash and be destroyed.

TRC,

Maurader's 3x twin-autocannons are not "Long" they should be 30cm when put on aircraft, not 45cm in my opionion... just like all the other 40K 48" range weaponry that's put on aircraft.

Assault Cannon and Heavy Bolter are both 36" in 40K. They both convert to 30cm in Epic, but when put on aircraft, they go down to 15cm.

Hellstrikes have unlimited tabletop range (over 48" in 40K) so should be 45cm in E:A.

General range / effect logic extends to the lightnings...

I disagree with missiles not being taken on either lightning. I play both planes regularly in 40K - we ALWAYS take a full compliment of missiles IF we take lightnings. The autocannon variant is preferred as it has shots that stick around every turn where the missile variant - goes down to just the lascannon shot a bit too quickly unless you are playing against a fair amount of armor. At 10 points a missile for unlimited range and Strength 8 AP3 shots, its just a no brainer to take the max missiles with either plane in 40K!

Also trying to think how to give an aircraft a wildweasel ability (sorta sniper) to prioritise flak units when firing.

I REALLY don't like this. I would be VERY opposed to this becoming incorporated on ANY level. Planes should not snipe - period.

Its just a balance of play concept we want to avoid at all costs IMHO.

Cheers,