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Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:57 pm ]
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Scans, original artwork, nift diorma etc all good enough to print. Anyone got anything like that for the Imperial Fists or Salamanders?
Author:  BlackLegion [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:14 pm ]
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I can look what i can do for the Salamanders. :)
Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:53 pm ]
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Why isn't the sg photo database downloadable/ searchable - I have the bloody Salamander army in it :)
Author:  nealhunt [ Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:02 pm ]
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Did you and BL get together on a hybrid Salamander list?  Or do you guys still have 2 similar but slightly different versions?
Author:  BlackLegion [ Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:13 pm ]
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Erm....both..in a kind o way :D

The_Real_Chris made his own list with suggestions from me and i made my own list with suggestions from The_Real_Chris :D

As for pictures: I have to paint some piece of cardboard or similar in the same Ash-Wastes colour as my Salamanders bases. Then i can take pictures.

Pictures of my Salamanders Chapter so far:
http://www.epic-battles.de/index.p....c&t=299
Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:17 pm ]
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I think we have two highly similar versions and I'm hapy to share everything I've got to date with him and I guess vice versa :)

Rules wise I'm unlikely to get more than the odd game in until the end of may so can't do much testing. So I'm just writing up background and waiting to take photos of PG's salamander army that I have sitting at home. Plus painting up the missing units.

When I get a chance I'll post up the current version notes etc.
Author:  BlackLegion [ Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:01 pm ]
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I would like to have only one Salamanders amrylist in the end than two :) For now our lists are pretty similar with only minor differences but  think we can come to an understanding to fuse both lists into one ;)

Time to visit me in Germany for playtesting? :D
Author:  nealhunt [ Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:41 pm ]
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I think a single list is a good goal.
Author:  BlackLegion [ Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:43 pm ]
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And if the single list is there i hope Jervis will upload it into the Vault :) At least this is my goal. The same as with my DarkAngels list.
Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:07 am ]
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You aren't going to spoil it with some nonesense from the new codex? :)

Re Salamanders we clearly read and reply to posts simultaineously. :)

On that note if you do the missing models i can send you pics of PG's painted army. Ridicously good - though based for 'normal' conditions so perhaps we will have two set of models as well :)

My aim is to have one of each unit, replicating the sg stuff but with specific fluff for an all in one guide for prospective salamaders.

To that end prob redo/enhance the fluff.

If I get desperate for model shots I may photo my old salamanders 40k 1st/2nd ed army :)

Maybe crazy but where in Germany again? (Ryan air facilitates gaming? Hell I used to travel 4 hours to test the AMTL with the army champ.
Author:  BlackLegion [ Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:38 am ]
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The DarkAngels? Well..you know my latest proposal :D

Missing Salamanders: I have painted a Multi-melta Dreadnought and a Multi-melta Tactical unit. I have enough party to built andpaint a Mullti-melta Devastator unit.
A Predator Incinerator and Heavy Flamer Terminators i have yet to build. Same for the Multi-melta Attack-bike (my source for Multi-meltas :D ).

And i dread the day i will built a Prometheus :D

Two set of models is no problem. I paint my SM and Orks for ash-wastes tihave a 3rd War for Armageddon theme. But Armageddon has nearly all clime zones, so different bases wouldn't be a problem.

And what do you mean with all in one guide? Do you want datasheets for every unit? Not only the Salamander specific ones?


I live in Leipzig :) And yes that would really be crazy :D
Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:52 am ]
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(BlackLegion @ Apr. 17 2007,13:38)
QUOTE
The DarkAngels? Well..you know my latest proposal :D

I still reckon you should give the tacs Heavy Plasma Guns.

A Predator Incinerator and Heavy Flamer Terminators i have yet to build. Same for the Multi-melta Attack-bike (my source for Multi-meltas :D ).

Well I dissagree on the pont of including a multi melta bike. Its still pretty pointless. Indeed one of our differences is over fast attack and the various options :)

I've got a 3rd ed pred incinerator, you have any problem with mixing patterns?

And i dread the day i will built a Prometheus

I have a cunning plan. a) do a photo-shop job on a different chapters prometheus b) use a shrunk 40k prometheus (who would know?) c) wait for the model from forge world.

And what do you mean with all in one guide? Do you want datasheets for every unit? Not only the Salamander specific ones?

Yep. I have wonderfully painted regular units, shame not to use them.

Plus I like the idea of an all in one guide to Salamanders. 'All you ever need to know about salamanders'. So intro, history etc. I've been looking at Bolter and chainsword a 40k space marine forum, and they seem to have either written it or look fanatical enough to polish anything up. Special rules. Then each unit in a data fax, including units not in the army list (if you go with the idea of not having them as mainstream) allowing them to be used in non gt games. Then the GT list, special rules and reference sheet.

I live in Leipzig

Has it got an international airport?

I was going to when I got a chance do a summery of the differences between the two lists. No time currently to do more than the new units currently
Agree on
Predator Incinerator (new model/conversion/old model)
Salamander Prometheus (needs new model)
Helios (easy conversion)
Crusader (needs new model) - though I should say I can see the arguement for giving it frag launchers and upping its CC to 5+. Good/bad idea?
Salamanders Devestator
Salamanders Tactical
Salamanders Terminators

Dissagree on
Attack bike - I think the salamander gt list shouldn't have it, though it can be in the datafaxes. Incidentally making the FF4+ would balance it against the land speeder more.
Salamander Dreadnought - My games to date suggest that FF 5+ is too weak and makes it very very one dimensional (airdrop assault unit). FF4+ was fine considering the low mobility of the weapons platform and the short range of the gun.
Salamander Supreme Commander - I have him seperate to avoid having the problem of leader on two units
Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:56 am ]
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No -its a Salamander Prometheus :)
Salamnders have more than anyone else, so for the chance to field more they can't have supreme commander.

For chapters that only have 2 or 3 the supreme commander makes more sense (ignore the invulnerable save bit thats I think a cut and paste error).

I use both versions in three lists :)
Author:  BlackLegion [ Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:43 pm ]
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There is no such thing as a Heavy Plasma Gun in the Wh40k universe. And because i'm a fluff-junkie i wouldn't include it :D MissileLauncher will suffice for the DarkAngels.

The dropping the Multi-melta Attack Bike and stickingit to a collectors model section would be an idea. Increasing the FF value to 4+ too. It has twinlinked Bolters while the LandSpeeder has only the Multi-melta.

And i would prefer not to mix patterns and use only the recend version of models. They look far better imho.

I WILL built an Prometheus. The question is when :D

I have painted the complete 2nd Company of the Salamanders. More to follow. My goal is to have the complete chapter :)

The complete guide is a really cool idea :)

Halle (Saale) has an airport. Its 20minutes away from Leipzig. Don't know if it's an international one but i think so.

AttackBike: see above
Salamanders Dreadnought: ok.
Supreme Commander: only if the proposed stats (leader removes 2BM) becomes offficial.

The two versions of the Prometheus: I wouldl ike to have only one version of stats for it. At this time i'm at another city and can't access the relevant files. Sowhats the difference?
Armoured list = Commander?
Salamanders/ImperialFists = SupremeCommander?

My version has Leader :D and is only available if the Detachmend it is attached to has already a Character upgrade.
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