(nealhunt @ Apr. 09 2007,21:18)
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1 - Put all the Leader options in one Upgrade. As it is, you have a separate Note for Prometheus/SC issue, and two if/then requirements in separate upgrades. No end of potential confusion there.
2 - Just make the Assault Marines 50 points each to test it.
3 - Take out the reference to Razorbacks in the LR Crusader entry. Razorbacks already state "after... transport units...". Most likely, 1-2 LRC/100 points each would cover all the possible permutations without allowing abuse.
4 - Any reason not to allow Devs in LRs?
5 - Is there a reason not to just put Whirlwinds in "Tank Support" and replace the WW "Support" with Tank Support? As a practical matter, I don't think anyone would buy Wirlwinds to go with the other tanks or vice versa. Even if they did, is there some sort of exploit?
6 - (And just to be nit-picky, it should probably be called "Armor Support.")
7 - I'm hesitant about 4 Tbolts in a formation for 300. Durability increases substantially with formation size, so the points/unit should probably go up as well.
1 - I would love to but.....
I don't want several things to happen.
1.1 - is the additon of prometheus/damocles to certain formations such as whirlwinds, assault marines and dreadnaughts.
1.2 - Damocles command wise it is something I haven't tested, instead its based on E&C's idea. I have no idea how it will work, I think for 25 points leader and an extra AV to a tank formation is too cheap. I could be wrong, however I am suspicious.
1.3 - I don't want formations all the getting the chance to be quite large. There is a cap in the AV's bar the 'raiders of 6 rhino hulls or 4 and a Land Raider Prometheus. In truth I would expect the prometheus to given an infantry or destructor formation
If you can think of a way round this i am all ears. Note there is more explanation in the using the army list bit.
2 - see above in the reply to hena. They have been tried way back as 375 for 8 however were loaded in a thunderhawk so I'm not sure how much that affects them.
3 - Yes I was getting carried away with ornate restrictions!
Like to limit it to one per formation though as it isn't a black templar list.
4 - Yes, Land Raiders and terminators. I am a big fan of LR and LR companies. I've tried out lots the optuions of adding more LR to a LR formation and also occasionally mechanising terminators. In both case the 75 point upgrade seems to do it, with the 100 point one being a waste of time.
The only problem is devestators.
At 75 points 1-4 lr upgrades is very attracive, indeed I would go for them as an alternative to the lr formation. I don't know how to resolve this so have dropped it entirely. Suggestions anyone? They can still get a crusader and this makes for a nifty FF formation.
5 - Abuse? Every formation adds a whirlwind. A single template catches 3-4 units and discourages bunching up with the direct range matching the general marine 45cm guns. Though weaker than a motre dedicated AP or AT tank it hits either on a six.
Trying wide access didn't seem to work. Perhaps this was due to enemy army types? With the exception of the hunter all the armour options are questionable compared to razorbacks (the greatest av's in list) in the opinion of some.
If people could try it out I would be greatful. I am on something of a hiatus for another 1-2 months at least and working on pre current country experience.
6 - Yeah yeah yeah 
7 - I should say I have no experience with this under the revised +1 to hit rules (which I don't like and would prfer to see a proper fix worked out or maybe even the alternate system I played with a lot a while back
) but when we tried it lots (mostly with AMTL) it seemed fine. To tell the truth I would prefer the 2 strong formation I know and love, but I know a lot of people who would prefer to have the option of this. Intercept wise its okay and ground attack can chew up mech formations but doesn't have the at punch of 300 points of fighter bombas
(how my artillary hates those things).
Finally I should say like everything I have been 'inspired' by blacklegions style, though I hope the tables and reference sheet in particular will speed people formating their own ideas.
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