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| Author: | Chroma [ Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | [BatRep] Playtesting Marines vs Eldar |
Playtested a bunch of the proposed Marine rule/army changes vs the proposed Eldar rule/army changes and had quite a good match: Biel-Tan vs Eldar I'm starting this thread to address some of the Marine related question raised in the original thread. |
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| Author: | Chroma [ Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | [BatRep] Playtesting Marines vs Eldar |
Rules Used Space Marine Changes: 1) Cost changes (+/-25 points) - Vindicator det, 275 (-25) - Predator det, 275 (-25) - Land Raider det 375 (-25) - Terminator det 350 (+25) - Landing Craft 375 (+25) 2) Speed upgrades (+5cm) - Vindicator, 25cm - Attack Bike, 35cm 3) FF upgrades (1 better) - Land Raiders, FF4+ - Predator Destructor, FF4+ 4) Armours get Hunters - Vindicator det, hunter upgrade allowed - Predator det, hunter upgrade allowed - Land Raider det, hunter upgrade allowed 5) "And They Shall Know No Fear" - Number of BMs in assault resolution is halved (round down) |
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| Author: | Chroma [ Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | [BatRep] Playtesting Marines vs Eldar |
(Hena @ Aug. 11 2006,06:15) QUOTE Interesting game for sure. How did the vindicators feel? I thought the Vindicators were great and, despite their relatively poor showing, my opponent really liked them. ?With the speed increase they can get places and, personally, I find the ignore cover really scary, even on a Double they can hammer targets. And how would you balance the 1/2 BM against no outnumbering? In general, it seemed to produce the same results, but the "1/2 MBs" rule allowed for some odd things. ?When the Warhound and Vindicators were intermingled, I fired on the Titan to ensure a "valid" Blast marker (my opponent applauded my "cheeky Eldar cunning) but it felt a little off. ?As well, if two intermingled Marine formations each have a Blast marker when assaulted does each formation round down to zero or are they at "1" together? Just for ease of use and for heroic fluff, I like the "Never outnumbered only vastly outnumbered" variant the best, it just feels more Space Marine. As to Marine leader removing 2BM a go, I really like it! |
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| Author: | CAL001 [ Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | [BatRep] Playtesting Marines vs Eldar |
I like you batrep Chroma, an interesting choice of units. I have been using Vindicators at the new speed for months and have found them very effective. I used the Comd Removes Two BM the other day and found that it had a dramatic effect on the game, most ofrmations where rallying and ended up with no BM left at all. I think this one is overpowered and that the other suggestion of only being outnumbered if it is 2:1 or more is better. Thanks for sharing CAL |
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| Author: | Honda [ Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | [BatRep] Playtesting Marines vs Eldar |
Just for ease of use and for heroic fluff, I like the "Never outnumbered only vastly outnumbered" variant the best, it just feels more Space Marine. As to Marine leader removing 2BM a go, I really like it! I strongly agree here with Chroma's points. I favor the 2BM for leaders because quite a few of the SM infantry formations start out fairly small (i.e. 4 units) and if they are to have a use in the game in the later stages, it is important that they do so without the handicap of BM's as much as possible. |
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