Space Wolves are currently sitting in what Dobbsy states is a close to ready to send to ERC vote state.
I've collated all data on the testing so far in the beginning of the Marines Test Spreadsheet. I don't expect any of you to start doing anything different than you're doing now. The "All Your Marine Batreps" thread is fine as well as being public. I'll be happy to keep collating your playtest data though feel free to jump on in and mange/update it yourself.
It's currently available in my Onedrive in an Excel workbook. If you've got Excel 2013 or newer and the internet (presumably since you're here reading this) then your all set. In addition, for those that hate MS or want to access outside of a computer with it installed or any other reason you can open it up in a browser of your choice have at it.
Read link is here=>
http://1drv.ms/1ziylbVIf you all can please send me an email address or Microsft Account name then I can set you each up with Write permissions. As I understand it FB and Google identities I believe are supported as well so that's an option too. The read only link is not secret (in fact I think it might make sense to stick it into the public area), let's keep it between us until we come to consensus, good?
Right now we
are sitting at 17 of 18 playtests across 4 groups (one of which is just me and Apoc so YMMV)
I've entered some quick data into the first sheet (I'll spiffy it up into something better later). While I didn't indicate the specific VC achieved by each side (i'll probably go back later and do that) I simply indicated W:L:D. Also there's a few important notes about some of the tests that I think are important (entered as review comments).
Note: I expect to monkey one of these up for each of you next. You're welcome to send it to me instead if so inclined.
Right now I'd like us to take a look at the Test Matrix sheet. What's indicating is some interesting / worrisome findings (for the record, if we did this with any other lists it's probably going to look pretty similar)
1. There's 0 reports between SW and an entire faction performed (Tau). While it's probably not practical that a faction with large numbers of lists (like marines) is going to see significant testing across them all, lacking a SINGLE play test at all for an entire faction is pretty glaring hole.
2. SW vs Orks had far more testing that I anticipated though it is still only 2 tests. Both however are aggainst Speed Freaks leaving the litmus test Ork list, Ghahzghul untouched.
3. In every match up against AMTL SW have lost. All tests have however have come from two players, each switching sides. This also is important to point out this is on older versions of AMTL that I happen to agree were a wee bit gamable on activation count that have been dealt with in the newer version. I should also point out that Marines have 4 basic strategies for tackling titans traditionally, 1 of which isn't an option for SW and another not optimal for this list. It's likely just a specifically hard match-up for that list.
4. In every match up against Steel Legion so far SW have won. This may be the inverse of the AMTL where the traditional strengths off the SL guard list are not as powerful against SW. This is a bit unexpected as I'd expect Leman Russ companies to a good showing in concert with Inf Coy. I do find that the fact that Tank Legion tests have resulted in a won and a loss
my lend some credence to the idea. Lots of RA being a traditionally a strength of Guard lists so take that as you will as the SW do have a bit of extra AT available. I'm looking at this carefully as Steel Legion is the Guard main list to balance against.
Now of course the number of datapoints I have are nothing at all like a reasonable number to draw too any conclusions from but I do like to monitor for glaring items at least. Was it you Simon that once said testing is more of a "lick your finger and check the wind" sort of deal?
This isn't in the document itself directly (though if you read all the linked reports you'll find it), no one other than PFE has specifically done stress builds (uven took 3 terminators once but that's not too kooky-i've seen plenty of codex lists that have done it). This means we lack any real data on areas of concern that have been brought up.
Please indicate if I've missed any:
-Terminator costs in massed (5 formation) drop attacks
-Bloodclaw*/Swiftclaw spam (no builds or playtests to illustrate it)
-Pack Mentality
-Longclaws (need more details)
*I could be wrong but I believe the Bloodclaw bit is more around fluff than broken concerns, correct?
In addition, I'll point out that the general consensus of from Mordoten/Uven and then PFE on the other side have been pretty favorable for generalist builds. As in they say it's fun to play and face and that it subjectively feels like what they expect wolves to be like. I think that means that in a general high level level aspect, the theme is at least right.
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